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2006-10, democratic control of the house, senate, a lame duck Pres and then their own little rock star. A once proud capitalist nation edges dramatically closer to the utopian socialist state where the middle class is wiped out for the good of the elites.
U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

Nearly 1/2 our country now poor or low income. Thanks liberals for screwing the pooch.
 
NLCHP.org

Since 2006 the number of homeless kids in public schools has increased 57% or a million kids.
 
2006-10, democratic control of the house, senate, a lame duck Pres and then their own little rock star. A once proud capitalist nation edges dramatically closer to the utopian socialist state where the middle class is wiped out for the good of the elites.
U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

Nearly 1/2 our country now poor or low income. Thanks liberals for screwing the pooch.
Damn you Obama!!! We had such high hopes for you too. If only you had listened when the conservatives incessantly screamed at the top of their lungs that we need to cut all spending on the poor and middle classes.

Maybe now you'll pay attention to the Republican party, because there's no way you'll be able to get those numbers to go up without their help.
 
Damn you Obama!!! We had such high hopes for you too. If only you had listened when the conservatives incessantly screamed at the top of their lungs that we need to cut all spending on the poor and middle classes.

Maybe now you'll pay attention to the Republican party, because there's no way you'll be able to get those numbers to go up without their help.

If he didn't listen to the Conservatives and to Democrats who still had enough of their frontal cortex intact to accomplish basic mathematical skills, who did he listen too ?
 
There's only one real solution to this problem:

MASSIVE government stimulus borrowed off our children.
 
Damn you Obama!!! We had such high hopes for you too. If only you had listened when the conservatives incessantly screamed at the top of their lungs that we need to cut all spending on the poor and middle classes.

Maybe now you'll pay attention to the Republican party, because there's no way you'll be able to get those numbers to go up without their help.

Eventually you will figure out that wages will need to go down or productivity go way up for the US to be globally competitive. Until then, you might want to consider exactly who is being helped by the Obama policies. Isn't the poor folks.
 
2006-10, democratic control of the house, senate, a lame duck Pres and then their own little rock star. A once proud capitalist nation edges dramatically closer to the utopian socialist state where the middle class is wiped out for the good of the elites.
U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

Nearly 1/2 our country now poor or low income. Thanks liberals for screwing the pooch.

Do you know what Socialism actually is supposed to be?
 
2006-10, democratic control of the house, senate, a lame duck Pres and then their own little rock star. A once proud capitalist nation edges dramatically closer to the utopian socialist state where the middle class is wiped out for the good of the elites.
U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

Nearly 1/2 our country now poor or low income. Thanks liberals for screwing the pooch.

What an intellectually lazy comment! You throw out a current socio-economic fact (yes, poverty is very high) and than another fact that Dems have had a majority in congress for a few years and then suggest that one caused the other without any real statement as to how.

Let's start with the fact that the "liberal control" started in 2007 (not 2006). Then lets add the notion that they could not be in "control" because they were working against a president of the opposite party that could veto anything they passed, and the congress was never veto proof. Then, lets layer in the fact that the Senate was only filibuster proof for 90 days of the period you outlined (during which the ACA, the only noteworthy non-bipartisan piece of legislation passed).

Then, let us ask you to tell us what exactly the house/senate and POTUS did to "screw the poach" and create so much poverty........ long silence........ don't think on this too hard because the answer should come to you quick: nothing. The Democratic COTUS and POTUS did no more to contribute to poverty than they did to ruin the Red Sox success (It was 2007 when the BoSox were last successful).

You offered nothing to substantiate your claim other than the naive enthusiasm of yourself and those that "liked" this intellectually deficient comment. Try again!

The current severe recession certainly exasperated a trend that has existed since 1980. After all, recessions hit the lower income groups much harder than the wealthier groups.

Study: Recession Hits Low-Income, Older, Ethnic Women Workers Hardest - New America Media
Wealth Disparity - Uneven Income Growth.webpWealth Disparity - Winners of the Economy.webp

The fundamental problem is when we started cutting the highest marginal tax rates, we incented business owners to take money out of their business and look for ways to drastically lower costs to increase short-term profit RATHER than encouraging re-investment and job growth, which happens with higher tax rates (coupled with lower cap gains, which work in tandem to incent a long-term approach to profit).

Wealth Disparity - Weath Gap.webp

Since the highest marginal rates were cut, CEO salaries have soared and worker salaries have remained flat (or lost ground when adjusted for inflation)

Wealth Disparity -CEO pay to worker pay by year.webp

A review of the economic research on the effects of raising ordinary income tax rates: Higher revenue, unchanged growth, and uncertain but potentially large reductions in the growth of inequality | Economic Policy Institute
This Is How Income Inequality Destroys Societies - Business Insider

It didn't take four years; it took 30.

BTW, the poverty rates consistently fall during Democratic administrations and climb during Republican administrations. I offer no explanation for that, just fact.

Eco Trends - US_poverty_rate_timeline.webp
 
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Eventually you will figure out that wages will need to go down or productivity go way up for the US to be globally competitive. Until then, you might want to consider exactly who is being helped by the Obama policies. Isn't the poor folks.

Productivity has consistently gone up, but that's mostly due to capital side investment in technology. Compared to that, I don't see how its possible for workers to increase their productivity to an appreciable degree. Education can only take you so far.

Wages need to go down? I can understand globalization letting employers buy the cheapest labor possible, forcing domestic workers to compete with 3rd world slave labor. The unfortunate thing is that our economy is built upon our workers being the primary consumers. As we've seen in this recovery, wages going down means the economy goes down. Pushing wages down even further will push the system to the breaking point.

We need to find a third option that doesn't hamstring the economy while letting a few businesses collect all the wealth in the world. I've heard tariffs don't work well, but...I'm not an expert on all the possibilities.


Obama's detached neglect might not be doing much to help the poor, but Paul Ryan and the conservatives are touting malicious despoilation. The only way that will ever help the poor is by killing off the weak and teaching the survivors the value of guillotines.
 
IDK but I was thinking we should out law it; I'd rather ban socialism then guns!

BTW I wonder what has killed more people - socialist or guns? Probably socialist with guns is the worst.

Do you know what Socialism actually is supposed to be?
 
WOW, so now its OUR fault for your GOP policys for the last 30 years????

Talk about SPIN! LMAO

Wait untill taft hartly is repealed, then your head will REALLY spin!
 
2006-10, democratic control of the house, senate.

see how cons cant even get the simple details right? and then they want you to believe their convoluted 'explanations' to prove nothing is Bush or the republicans fault. As upsideguy pointed out, dems didnt take over until 2007. Not that it mattered when they took over because the once the Bush Mortgage Bubble popped it was too late. Well lucky for the dems, the Bush Mortgage Bubble popped before they took over

The Subprime Mortgage Market Collapse: A Primer on the Causes and Possible Solutions

The collapse of the subprime mortgage market in late 2006 set in motion a chain reaction of economic and financial adversity that has spread to global financial markets, created depression-like conditions in the housing market, and pushed the U.S. economy to the brink of recession.
 
Productivity has consistently gone up, but that's mostly due to capital side investment in technology. Compared to that, I don't see how its possible for workers to increase their productivity to an appreciable degree. Education can only take you so far.

Wages need to go down? I can understand globalization letting employers buy the cheapest labor possible, forcing domestic workers to compete with 3rd world slave labor. The unfortunate thing is that our economy is built upon our workers being the primary consumers. As we've seen in this recovery, wages going down means the economy goes down. Pushing wages down even further will push the system to the breaking point.

We need to find a third option that doesn't hamstring the economy while letting a few businesses collect all the wealth in the world. I've heard tariffs don't work well, but...I'm not an expert on all the possibilities.


Obama's detached neglect might not be doing much to help the poor, but Paul Ryan and the conservatives are touting malicious despoilation. The only way that will ever help the poor is by killing off the weak and teaching the survivors the value of guillotines.

Dividends and earnings per share are barometers but not determinants. If you forget about a few overpaid CEO's and look at wealth, you should see that labor and capital wealth are not as closely linked as they once were say 20 or 30 years ago. Amazon lost a fortune every year at first but was still a hot stock when it started. Google or Facebook's market values can swing wildly regardless of worker performance and those swing's translate to swings in wealth for its investors. 80% of our millionaires and billionaires are first generation millionaires and billionaires. The rich are not getting richer so much as the less than rich are getting richer and the once were rich are getting poorer. There is a lot of wealth churn which isn't such a bad thing. If the workers are getting left out, then you might want to consider it is not a wage issue but what they do with their money issue.
 
2006-10, democratic control of the house, senate, a lame duck Pres and then their own little rock star. A once proud capitalist nation edges dramatically closer to the utopian socialist state where the middle class is wiped out for the good of the elites.
U.S. Poverty: Census Finds Nearly Half Of Americans Are Poor Or Low-Income

Nearly 1/2 our country now poor or low income. Thanks liberals for screwing the pooch.

I totally remember when Obama took office and we had no poor people or problems with spending. We were all employed, and we certainly had no reason to borrow money. How dare he create poverty when he could have listened to the republicans who were so concerned with helping the poor people who didn't exist at the time. he is a terrible hiring manager for corporations. Why did we elect him to that position?
 
IDK but I was thinking we should out law it; I'd rather ban socialism then guns!

BTW I wonder what has killed more people - socialist or guns? Probably socialist with guns is the worst.

Do you really not know what it is? In all seriousness I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic or not.
 
The definition is not really relevant, one can take on a socialist position and not be a bleeding heart socialist. Again I will reiterate I think we should criminalize and out law socialism or at least control it. I mean you want to control guns but not socialsism? Sad.


Do you really not know what it is? In all seriousness I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic or not.
 
What an intellectually lazy comment! You throw out a current socio-economic fact (yes, poverty is very high) and than another fact that Dems have had a majority in congress for a few years and then suggest that one caused the other without any real statement as to how.

Let's start with the fact that the "liberal control" started in 2007 (not 2006). Then lets add the notion that they could not be in "control" because they were working against a president of the opposite party that could veto anything they passed, and the congress was never veto proof. Then, lets layer in the fact that the Senate was only filibuster proof for 90 days of the period you outlined (during which the ACA, the only noteworthy non-bipartisan piece of legislation passed).

Then, let us ask you to tell us what exactly the house/senate and POTUS did to "screw the poach" and create so much poverty........ long silence........ don't think on this too hard because the answer should come to you quick: nothing. The Democratic COTUS and POTUS did no more to contribute to poverty than they did to ruin the Red Sox success (It was 2007 when the BoSox were last successful).

You offered nothing to substantiate your claim other than the naive enthusiasm of yourself and those that "liked" this intellectually deficient comment. Try again!

The current severe recession certainly exasperated a trend that has existed since 1980. After all, recessions hit the lower income groups much harder than the wealthier groups.

Study: Recession Hits Low-Income, Older, Ethnic Women Workers Hardest - New America Media
View attachment 67145685View attachment 67145686

The fundamental problem is when we started cutting the highest marginal tax rates, we incented business owners to take money out of their business and look for ways to drastically lower costs to increase short-term profit RATHER than encouraging re-investment and job growth, which happens with higher tax rates (coupled with lower cap gains, which work in tandem to incent a long-term approach to profit).

View attachment 67145688

Since the highest marginal rates were cut, CEO salaries have soared and worker salaries have remained flat (or lost ground when adjusted for inflation)

View attachment 67145687

A review of the economic research on the effects of raising ordinary income tax rates: Higher revenue, unchanged growth, and uncertain but potentially large reductions in the growth of inequality | Economic Policy Institute
This Is How Income Inequality Destroys Societies - Business Insider

It didn't take four years; it took 30.

BTW, the poverty rates consistently fall during Democratic administrations and climb during Republican administrations. I offer no explanation for that, just fact.

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What they did or did not do may or may not be the question.

An hourly worker is tasked to follow a given set of steps and if he does this, he is successful to the degree that he is productive enough to meet the pre-defined levels of expectation.

An executive is tasked to achieve a positive outcome. The steps he takes or avoids taking are not pre-defined and are, in truth, left entirely to him.

Obama and his cohorts are executives and defining the steps or missteps taken is an exercise in foolishness. The outcome is the only thing that need be checked. The outcome is that the household income is down, the number of employed is so weak that it hurts and the Federal spending of today is a grand theft from the next generation.

Those are some pretty dismal outcomes.
 
Productivity has consistently gone up, but that's mostly due to capital side investment in technology. Compared to that, I don't see how its possible for workers to increase their productivity to an appreciable degree. Education can only take you so far.

Wages need to go down? I can understand globalization letting employers buy the cheapest labor possible, forcing domestic workers to compete with 3rd world slave labor. The unfortunate thing is that our economy is built upon our workers being the primary consumers. As we've seen in this recovery, wages going down means the economy goes down. Pushing wages down even further will push the system to the breaking point.

We need to find a third option that doesn't hamstring the economy while letting a few businesses collect all the wealth in the world. I've heard tariffs don't work well, but...I'm not an expert on all the possibilities.


Obama's detached neglect might not be doing much to help the poor, but Paul Ryan and the conservatives are touting malicious despoilation. The only way that will ever help the poor is by killing off the weak and teaching the survivors the value of guillotines.



Obama is attacking the job producers and states and redistributing aid to the poor while printing billions daily in inflated currency. This seems much more like constant meddling than detached neglect.
 
WOW, so now its OUR fault for your GOP policys for the last 30 years????

Talk about SPIN! LMAO

Wait untill taft hartly is repealed, then your head will REALLY spin!


Was Clinton in the GOP?
 
see how cons cant even get the simple details right? and then they want you to believe their convoluted 'explanations' to prove nothing is Bush or the republicans fault. As upsideguy pointed out, dems didnt take over until 2007. Not that it mattered when they took over because the once the Bush Mortgage Bubble popped it was too late. Well lucky for the dems, the Bush Mortgage Bubble popped before they took over

The Subprime Mortgage Market Collapse: A Primer on the Causes and Possible Solutions

The collapse of the subprime mortgage market in late 2006 set in motion a chain reaction of economic and financial adversity that has spread to global financial markets, created depression-like conditions in the housing market, and pushed the U.S. economy to the brink of recession.


I never fell into the trap of the "MY house is my piggy bank" thinking. Many did, however, and others took loans knowing they were on the razor's edge to pay them back.

It is impossible to place the blame for this whole problem on any doorstep that does not include the entire population of folks who gave or took loans for any type of property and that's just about everybody in the USA. The whole thing represents the something for nothing mind set that the children of the Depression who raised me told me would not work.

WC Fields warned that you can't cheat an honest man.

From your link:
<snip>
Impact on the Housing Market
Giving less creditworthy borrowers access to mortgage credit increased the U.S. homeownership rate by more than 4 percentage points during this rapid expansion of subprime mortgages. In 1995, just when the subprime market was starting to expand, the homeownership rate was 64.7 percent of households-comparable to the average rate for the preceding three decades. However, as the subprime mortgage market grew, so did homeownership, which reached an all-time peak of 69 percent in 2004.[23]
<snip>
Predatory Lenders, Predatory Borrowers. For much of the past decade, some in Congress and the advocacy community have complained about the prevalence of "predatory lending," a practice in which individuals of modest means and limited sophistication are seduced into taking on debt, often secured by their home. Some define predatory lending as occurring when the lender convinces the borrower to borrow "too much." Sometimes, outright fraud is involved, and the nature of the obligations is misrepresented. In other cases, individuals may willingly agree to a loan that carries high interest rates, large fees, and harsh terms that are beyond their capability to service with their modest incomes and financial skills, hoping that something will work out in the future. Some fall behind in their payments and ultimately lose their homes through foreclosure.
For some debtor advocates, subprime loans are synonymous with predatory lending because they typically carry higher interest rates and fees to compensate lenders for the additional risk of default that they assume by lending to such borrowers. As noted earlier, the many definitions and characteristics of a subprime loan relate entirely to the lackluster credit history of the borrower. While there have certainly been instances of fraud, there is little evidence to suggest that they constitute a significant component of the subprime problem nationally, although there are instances of localized abuses. The high foreclosure and default rates in low-cost Atlanta and Detroit may be examples of such abuses.
In contrast, as more evidence emerges from the millions of faltering mortgagors (subprime, Alt-A, and/or prime), it is becoming apparent that some portion of the problem -- perhaps a significant portion -- may stem from "predatory borrowing," defined as a transaction in which the borrower convinces the lender to lend too much. As underwriting standards declined and as this decline became obvious to many in the real estate business, some people took advantage of the lax standards to buy homes that they could not otherwise afford, to refinance homes to acquire other consumer durables or pay down credit card debt, or to buy homes for investment (renting or selling) without revealing that the homes were not their primary residences.
 
What an intellectually lazy comment! You throw out a current socio-economic fact (yes, poverty is very high) and than another fact that Dems have had a majority in congress for a few years and then suggest that one caused the other without any real statement as to how.

Let's start with the fact that the "liberal control" started in 2007 (not 2006). Then lets add the notion that they could not be in "control" because they were working against a president of the opposite party that could veto anything they passed, and the congress was never veto proof. Then, lets layer in the fact that the Senate was only filibuster proof for 90 days of the period you outlined (during which the ACA, the only noteworthy non-bipartisan piece of legislation passed).

Then, let us ask you to tell us what exactly the house/senate and POTUS did to "screw the poach" and create so much poverty........ long silence........ don't think on this too hard because the answer should come to you quick: nothing. The Democratic COTUS and POTUS did no more to contribute to poverty than they did to ruin the Red Sox success (It was 2007 when the BoSox were last successful).

You offered nothing to substantiate your claim other than the naive enthusiasm of yourself and those that "liked" this intellectually deficient comment. Try again!

The current severe recession certainly exasperated a trend that has existed since 1980. After all, recessions hit the lower income groups much harder than the wealthier groups.

Study: Recession Hits Low-Income, Older, Ethnic Women Workers Hardest - New America Media
View attachment 67145685View attachment 67145686

The fundamental problem is when we started cutting the highest marginal tax rates, we incented business owners to take money out of their business and look for ways to drastically lower costs to increase short-term profit RATHER than encouraging re-investment and job growth, which happens with higher tax rates (coupled with lower cap gains, which work in tandem to incent a long-term approach to profit).

View attachment 67145688

Since the highest marginal rates were cut, CEO salaries have soared and worker salaries have remained flat (or lost ground when adjusted for inflation)

View attachment 67145687

A review of the economic research on the effects of raising ordinary income tax rates: Higher revenue, unchanged growth, and uncertain but potentially large reductions in the growth of inequality | Economic Policy Institute
This Is How Income Inequality Destroys Societies - Business Insider

It didn't take four years; it took 30.

BTW, the poverty rates consistently fall during Democratic administrations and climb during Republican administrations. I offer no explanation for that, just fact.

View attachment 67145689

Thank you for taking the time to put the facts out there. That is something that lacks on this forum frequently.
 
As always, the proof is in the pudding. Let's review Liberal progress in the past five years:

Do You Live In A Death Spiral State? - Forbes

Problem is all the CEO's and executives are takers. They produce nothing and take all.

And if they paid a living wage, then people would not qualify for SNAP.

Is that 3.2% tax on all investments REALLY that bad? LMAO.....I ma sure you can afford 3.2% of $10 or 100 million a year.
 
The definition is not really relevant, one can take on a socialist position and not be a bleeding heart socialist. Again I will reiterate I think we should criminalize and out law socialism or at least control it. I mean you want to control guns but not socialsism? Sad.

If you don't really know what it is why do you have any right to really comment upon it or make judgments of it?

Controlling an ideology is not really feasible. Controlling the circulation and ownership of an object is.
 
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