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Israel ruled responsible for death of Palestinian girl

A bastion of Islamic extremism? I get the AKP party has an Islamic agenda, but they haven't even come close to achieving that. In fact, its rather ironic Democracy should advance the most under them. The only thing they have changed that worries me is bring out all the Islamic crazies in Turkey the secularists need to put back under a rock, and there foreign policies.

They're a ****ing Islamist party, Islamist parties don't get elected if there isn't Islamic extremism within the country and they sure as hell don't get elected as controlling party. The only thing that has stopped them from achieving their Islamic agenda is the secular Constitution which explicitly prevents them from doing what they really want to do and because the Constitutional Court has thankfully has actively gone against them at every turn.
 
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They're a ****ing Islamist party, Islamist parties don't get elected if there isn't Islamic extremism within the country and they sure as hell don't get elected as controlling party.

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Could you be any more off the mark? Moderate Islamic parties makes the population "extremist"? Your argument is so off course its borderline racist. Firstly, the AKP may have an "Islamic agenda", but they are NOT an Islamic party per se. They have conservative views, sure, but no more than the Christian Democrat party and Germany is hardly a bastion of Christian extremism. :roll:

The saadet party on the other hand is, but they have less than 2% of the countries vote.

They where elected NOT because of there religious affiliation, but because the CHP at the time was being run by a scandalous republican pig who praised the Dersim massacre of the Kurds recently, and the AKP where the only ones promising reforms. That idiot made a porn tape though and he resigned from the pressure his party placed on him. If we where even close to being the illiberal fascist Islamic country you make us out to be, he would have been hanged. But point is, we are not. I live in Turkey, and its as opened minded as any other place in Europe. Hell, the MHP released a parody video just to make them look worse!

The only thing that has stopped them from achieving their Islamic agenda is the secular Constitution which explicitly prevents them from doing what they really want to do.

Exactly. Which is why my countries progression of Westernism in a foriegn policy sense may have stumbled a little as a result, but will not regress to become Iran, exactly BECAUSE of this constitution.

We have too many nationalists, too strong an army and too many deep state organizations run by Kemalists (deep state organizations in Turkey are underground political groups that essentially control the political scene in Turkey. There almost considered a conspiracy theory, but we know from Ergenekon, for example, that they are around, and they can be compared to the likes of the Illuminati in that sense) for your worries to ever manifest.

We adopted enlightenment and European ideal's over Islamism, and though our Democracy is not perfect, we at least are trying to better it.

Our place is among NATO and Europe. If you think otherwise just because we disagree with Israel, despite reserving the right to do so, then you couldn't be any more hypocritical. David Cameron was in our Parliament not long ago describing Gaza as an "open air" prison. We are NOT the only ones in Europe who disagree with SOME of Israel's policies. It does NOT make us extremists.
 
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shouldn't the title read "Israeli soldier" it's not like she had a country fall on her.
 
shouldn't the title read "Israeli soldier" it's not like she had a country fall on her.

Well technically, any Israeli soldiers actions (good, bad, lawful or unlawful) are the responsibility of the Israeli government and military and hence Israel. Sure it is stupid wording, but it is not inaccurate.
 
Well technically, any Israeli soldiers actions (good, bad, lawful or unlawful) are the responsibility of the Israeli government and military and hence Israel. Sure it is stupid wording, but it is not inaccurate.

it is stupid wording, can you imagine if someone wrote an article about sexual relationships between American soldiers.

"America has sex"
 
it is stupid wording, can you imagine if someone wrote an article about sexual relationships between American soldiers.

"America has sex"

Would be funny and stupid, but not inaccurate :) even though some would deny it!
 
Well technically, any Israeli soldiers actions (good, bad, lawful or unlawful) are the responsibility of the Israeli government and military and hence Israel. Sure it is stupid wording, but it is not inaccurate.

this is underscored by the previous deliberate actions of the israeli government, which attempted to thwart justice being found
had the government done the right thing at the outset, to punish those responsible for the action, then we might hold the israeli government harmless and place the full blame on the individual perpetrator(s). by its inaction to ferret out justice, the israeli government has become a co-conspirator
 
justice was rendered here and it didn't require international pressure on a king or a regime to bring it about
 
BBC News - Israel ruled responsible for death of Palestinian girl

That is unfortunate. I find it sad an Israeli court has to make a ruling to get a compensation out of the IDF. Regardless i am pleased with the judges decision. How powerful are these rubber guns, exactly? They seem far more deadly than i assumed.

I can only assume the court weighed all the evidence properly, and the higher court made the correct ruling? However, I have no facts to comment on, and I am somewhat suspicious that the judge in the lower courts ruled that the death could have been caused by a rock. The higher courts says there is no doubt that it was from a rubber bullet? So, is the lower court judge an imbicile? If there is no doubt, how could the lower court judge be so wrong?

Something in this story is missing. I fear it is in the details.


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BBC News - Israel ruled responsible for death of Palestinian girl

That is unfortunate. I find it sad an Israeli court has to make a ruling to get a compensation out of the IDF. Regardless i am pleased with the judges decision. How powerful are these rubber guns, exactly? They seem far more deadly than i assumed.

They are designed for crowd control; however, up close they are dangerous. I would say ... anything less that 50 feet is a bad idea ... unless the target(s) are wearing armor.
 
They are designed for crowd control; however, up close they are dangerous. I would say ... anything less that 50 feet is a bad idea ... unless the target(s) are wearing armor.

They shouldn't be lethal when they are used according to procedure.
 
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