Israel may have no choice but to nuke Iran

[weaver2]

War is not a video game where no real people get hurt.

Sometimes I think the leaders of the world who will never lose a loved one or a leg in a war don't really understand that it isn't a game they are playing with other leaders.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I've got my money on Iran. Preliminaries suggest Trump's bombing only set the Iranians back a few months despite Trump's lies. Majority of the world is lined up against Israel on this. Iran is 70-some times the size of Israel. There aren't enough bombs in the world to do the damage to Iran that Iran could and is doing to Israel. Iran has an endless supply of hypersonic missiles because the Iranians manufacture them underground. I've seen footage of the factories. Have you seen footage of Tel Aviv. It looks like Gaza, and the Iranians are not finished bombing by any stretch. What did Israel accomplish because getting their country bombed to sh*t? Six months from now Israel will be right back where they were 2 weeks ago, but this time staring down a dozen Iranian nuclear weapons. Smart educated Israelis are leaving. If I were going to be in one or the other I'd choose Iran in a heartbeat far as safety goes.

Explain to me when Bibi started giving a shit about people in the street.

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, not at all. I"m not pro-Israel or Iran. I'm just pointing out the obvious: that Israelis going to lose this war.

War's over. Iran got pasted.

 

[SoCal]

Do you honestly think any country conducts military operations with a goal of having equal casualties. Or is it just the Jews that are supposed to do that?...

Of course not, I just stated the historical facts.

...I can’t help but notice that you completely ignored the point of my post.
The decades of attacks on Israel along with the destruction of Israel being a stated goal of Iran is the reason that Israel doesn’t want them to have nuclear weapons...

I didn't ignore it, I disagree with it. And far as stated goals, Israel never stated a goal of destroying the Gaza Strip, committing genocide or slowly taking over the West Bank, yet that's what's happening.

...If your neighbor was constantly throwing rocks at you and chanting he was going to murder you, would you want him to be able to buy a gun.

You completely ignored my point; "It's easy to figure out why Iran wouldn't nuke Israel, they know the price they'd pay by the hands of both Israel and the US..."

If your neighbor knew that if he used his gun, his house, wife and children would be destroyed, would he use it, regardless of his threats?? As I pointed out above, stated goals aren't worth the paper they're printed on. It's actions that matter, stated or not stated...

 

[SoCal]

I couldn't disagree with anything you said. I'm not pro_Israeli, I'm just pointing out the inevitability of Israel's demise.

Well I don't believe in the inevitability of Israel's demise...

 

[multivita-man]

The problem with that is that it is a propaganda talking point when they say it because it's an attempt to call their crimes defense. Did Nazi Germany have a right to exist and to self-defense?

Israel is not Nazi Germany.

What about Palestine and Iran's right to exist and to self-defense?

Yes, they both have a right to exist and self-defense.

 

[braindrain]

Of course not, I just stated the historical facts.


I didn't ignore it, I disagree with it. And far as stated goals, Israel never stated a goal of destroying the Gaza Strip, committing genocide or slowly taking over the West Bank, yet that's what's happening.


You completely ignored my point; "It's easy to figure out why Iran wouldn't nuke Israel, they know the price they'd pay by the hands of both Israel and the US..."

If your neighbor knew that if he used his gun, his house, wife and children would be destroyed, would he use it, regardless of his threats?? As I pointed out above, stated goals aren't worth the paper they're printed on. It's actions that matter, stated or not stated...

Can you explain how it relevant. Was the US in the wrong because during the first gulf war we killed vastly more of them then they killed of us.
Or is this just wrong when Israel does it.


Ah so you are just making things up. Sorry not to concerned with your fairytales.

Is that a chance you really would be willing to take. I bet you wouldn’t. Though I have no doubt you will pretend you would.

You mean actions like Iran using its proxies to constantly attack Israel.

 

[Craig234]

Israel is not Nazi Germany.

Well, if I had said it was, instead of asking the question I did, your reply wouldn't be a non-response. But they have all too much in common - as Einstein noted.

Yes, they both have a right to exist and self-defense.

The rogue state is trying to destroy the government and more of Iran - more than even the opponents of genocide want to do to them - and to erase Palestine from existence. Not respecting either's right to exist or self-defense.

 

[SoCal]

Can you explain how it relevant. Was the US in the wrong because during the first gulf war we killed vastly more of them then they killed of us.
Or is this just wrong when Israel does it...

This is my last post.

In the first Gulf war we didn't commit genocide, intentionally killing thousands of civilians, women, children, or withhold relief supplies. Nor did we target and significantly damage infrastructure. Israel has been turning Gaza into rubble since Oct of '23. When is enough, enough? These terrorists attacks and reprisals will not end until the two state solution is accepted by Israel. I condemn both the terrorist attacks and Israel's over the top, excessive reprisals. Or is it just wrong when Palestinians kill innocents?

...Is that a chance you really would be willing to take. I bet you wouldn’t. Though I have no doubt you will pretend you would.

I believe it's just a matter of time before Iran possesses nukes. When they do, I don't believe Israel or Iran would accept the mutual assured destruction that would result if either used nukes against the other...

 

[braindrain]

This is my last post.

In the first Gulf war we didn't commit genocide, intentionally killing thousands of civilians, women, children, or withhold relief supplies. Nor did we target and significantly damage infrastructure. Israel has been turning Gaza into rubble since Oct of '23. When is enough, enough? These terrorists attacks and reprisals will not end until the two state solution is accepted by Israel. I condemn both the terrorist attacks and Israel's over the top, excessive reprisals. Or is it just wrong when Palestinians kill innocents?


I believe it's just a matter of time before Iran possesses nukes. When they do, I don't believe Israel or Iran would accept the mutual assured destruction that would result if either used nukes against the other...

Cool story.

And there is the typical goal post move. I guess when you can’t argue your point might as well just try something else huh

You understand that Israel can agree to a two state solution all they want and it odd meaningless is the terrorist running gaza don’t agree to it right?

I am sure Israel is very concerned with your “beliefs”.

 

[Bodi]

Explain to me when Bibi started giving a shit about people in the street.

If you could explain when he stopped caring that would be a great starting point... thanks...







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[Jack2aTee]

Well I don't believe in the inevitability of Israel's demise...

I hope you're right. What I wish is that Israel would wake up and realize their hawkish policies and determination to wipe out all things Muslim is hurting them badly. We need Israel as a buffer in the ME. But the Israel that exists today is not in the West's best interests.

 

[weaver2]

I hope you're right. What I wish is that Israel would wake up and realize their hawkish policies and determination to wipe out all things Muslim is hurting them badly. We need Israel as a buffer in the ME. But the Israel that exists today is not in the West's best interests.

What could have been: ..... had Theodor Herzl said in 1898 "We recognize that the Jewish and Palestinian knowledge and talents are different but they can be combined to make a better more efficient state for all of us"

Instead he said: .... " We shall spirit the penniless population (Palestinians) across the border .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." and by that he doomed the creation of peace in the Middle East

 

[Felis Leo]

If you could explain when he stopped caring that would be a great starting point... thanks...

Hell, I have no reason to believe he ever cared in the first place, either about the lives of everyday Israelis and certainly not about the lives of Palestinians.

 

[Craig234]

We need Israel as a buffer in the ME.

No, we don't.

But the Israel that exists today is not in the West's best interests.

What are the Muslim countries to think of the west when it backs the colonialist and genocidal state against them? It prevents better relations.

 

[Felis Leo]

No, we don't.



What are the Muslim countries to think of the west when it backs the colonialist and genocidal state against them? It prevents better relations.

Maybe. But many of these Muslim-majority countries (at least their governments) do not care. While there is no small amount of anti-Western Pan-Arab/Muslim solidarity, it seems to be mainly centered around those countries that border Israel and the intelligentsia class of other Muslim countries. I have no doubt many everyday Arabs and Muslims have a great deal of antipathy towards Israel and the United States, and many hold antisemitic attitudes, but I think this is a secondary concern.

The primary concern to me is this: our nation's support for genocide should not be stopped for the purpose of bettering of relationships, but for basic humanitarianism and moral decency. Being against our nation supporting a genocidal ethno-nationalist country is no different in terms of moral reasoning than being against slavery. That is, one should be against it on the basis that it barbarizes our own society and all of us. When our country allowed states to decide to grant their citizens the rights to own human beings, our society was worse for it in every way, not just for the slaves, and not just for the slave owners, but also for the non-slave states that financed slavery and allowed fugitive slave catchers from the Southern States to intrude upon their liberties.

Likewise, our society has become barbarized through our support of Israel. Our support for Israel is used to justify producing weapons and shipping them to Israel to be tested on Palestinian civilians and use Gaza as our Military Industrial Complex's proving ground. Our support for Israel is being used to justify even more xenophobic anti-immigration policy, hiding behind the fake concern for antisemitism (even though many of those who claim such fears despise Jews). Our support for Israel is being used to justify an even greater surveillance state. It is obscene.