Israel may have no choice but to nuke Iran

[Sandy Shanks]

Tran has 400 kilograms, or 880 pounds, of uranium enriched to 60% are publicly unaccounted for. Power plants require the radioactive metal to be enriched to only 3%-5%, whereas 90% is required to build a nuclear warhead.

"The US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities did not destroy the country's nuclear programme and probably only set it back by months, according to an early Pentagon intelligence assessment of the attack," BBC.

Trump doesn't believe intelligence he doesn't like. He prefers his fantasies instead. "The target was obliterated."

Or, in this case, "This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong and was classified as 'top secret' but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community." He offers no basis for his opinion because there isn't any.

Trump only has his fantasies.

The BBC continued, "The Islamic Republic's stockpile of enriched uranium was not eliminated in the bombings, according to the evaluation by the Defense Intelligence Agency.

"The US struck three nuclear facilities in Iran - Fordo, Natanz and Isfahan - with "bunker buster" bombs capable of penetrating 18m (60ft) of concrete or 61m (200ft) of earth before exploding.

"But sources familiar with the Pentagon's intelligence assessment say Iran's centrifuges are largely "intact" and the impact was limited to aboveground structures.

"Entrances to two nuclear facilities were sealed off, and some infrastructure was destroyed or damaged but much of the facilities, which are deep underground, were intact.

"The anonymous sources told US media it is estimated the attack only set Iran back "a few months, tops", and that any resumption of its nuclear programme may be based on how long it takes the country to dig out and make repairs.

"Sources also confirmed to CBS that some of Iran's enriched uranium stockpile was moved before the strikes, according to the intelligence assessment."

"The Pantagon's intelligence is wrong," Trump fantasizes.

We have a problem when our President doesn't believe his intelligence agencies.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

"The Pantagon's intelligence is wrong," Trump fantasizes.

We have a problem when our President doesn't believe his intelligence agencies.

Trump has offered no information on why he is rejecting the intelligence report. The opposite is true.

The Times reports, "The Trump administration on Tuesday postponed classified briefings for members of Congress on the recent U.S. strikes against Iran, fueling outrage among Democrats that President Trump has yet to share key details of the operation with the legislative branch.

"Lawmakers in both the House and Senate had been told there would be closed-door information sessions for them on Tuesday, in the aftermath of the strikes carried out against three Iranian nuclear sites over the weekend and the Iranian retaliatory strikes on Monday on an American military base in Qatar.

"The briefings were to have included top White House and intelligence officials, including Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence; John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director; and Gen. Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"The Senate briefing has been rescheduled for Thursday, according to one person familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment on it. Speaker Mike Johnson said the House briefing had been moved to Friday."

 

[multivita-man]

The key term here is "war" specifically what's meant by it. These are two belligerent nations who despise each other but unfortunately are separated by thousands of miles of other countries, and neither has the ability to actually push the other to an unconditional capitulation (short of Israel initiating a literal dozens-of-weapons nuclear holocaust on Iran). So, neither can particularly win a war, at least by the definition of what usually constitutes military victory, nor can either particularly lose one. The most either can do is give each other bloody noses, again and again and again, with Israel being able to inflict the bloody nose more often, and Iran being able to take the punch more often.

I agree. There will be many kerfuffles for decades to come. However I doubt there will be many "wars" in the traditional sense of a land invasion. Instead this will be a war of missiles, bombs and spies.

I think Israel is more fragile than people realize. Yes, it has a really good military and intelligence/security services second-to-none, but they need it. From what I understand, Iran didn't use many of its more sophisticated missiles, and even so, inflicted major damage on some of Israel's critical infrastructure. Also keep in mind that Israel is an ethno-state. If Jews begin to flee in masses - even temporarily with the idea of returning - that's a potential problem.

 

[Jay59]

Idk you'd have to do the math. How many pilots does Israel have. How many bombs. How many planes. How long to refuel, etc. At what rate can they drop the bombs. And given all this at what velocity do you send bodies. If it takes 50 hours to get to Israel, how many bombs can Israel drop per hour. And when do they run out, without support from other countries.

Why just Israel? Why just planes and bombs?

Million-man armies are conspicuous and slow-moving. The logistical tail is particularly vulnerable. This is not a part of the world where armies can forage effectively.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Why just Israel? Why just planes and bombs?

Million-man armies are conspicuous and slow-moving. The logistical tail is particularly vulnerable. This is not a part of the world where armies can forage effectively.

I agree which is my I made the caveat that Israel would need help from other countries to provide support, arms, or a buffer. Otherwise it's a question of velocity.

Just as an exercise, let's say Iran sends 2 million troops over 50 hours. That's 40,000 troops per hour. 20,000 troops every 30 minutes. Israel has an estimated 600 planes. Do they have 600 pilots? If 500k of those troops make it to Israel in those 50 hours, could 500k Iranians overwhelm Israel?

Obviously, it's a lot of death. But I'm thinking like a massive Starcraft ZERG rush lol

And then keep in mind Iran's population is 90million and roughly 60% are under the age of 40. That could mean 10 million 20-30 year olds

 

[Jay59]

I agree which is my I made the caveat that Israel would need help from other countries to provide support, arms, or a buffer. Otherwise it's a question of velocity.

Just as an exercise, let's say Iran sends 2 million troops over 50 hours. That's 40,000 troops per hour. 20,000 troops every 30 minutes. Israel has an estimated 600 planes. Do they have 600 pilots? If 500k of those troops make it to Israel in those 50 hours, could 500k Iranians overwhelm Israel?

Obviously, it's a lot of death. But I'm thinking like a massive Starcraft ZERG rush lol

And then keep in mind Iran's population is 90million and roughly 60% are under the age of 40. That could mean 10 million 20-30 year olds

If Iran mobilized a million men, support for Israel would be worldwide.

 

[Serenity]

There's as much chance that Iran could successfully invade Israel as there is that I am Luke Skywalker and have my landspeeder parked in the garage.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

If Iran mobilized a million men, support for Israel would be worldwide.

Well ya I've said this entire convo that Israel can only win a "conventional" war with the aid of other countries

 

[braindrain]

I agree which is my I made the caveat that Israel would need help from other countries to provide support, arms, or a buffer. Otherwise it's a question of velocity.

Just as an exercise, let's say Iran sends 2 million troops over 50 hours. That's 40,000 troops per hour. 20,000 troops every 30 minutes. Israel has an estimated 600 planes. Do they have 600 pilots? If 500k of those troops make it to Israel in those 50 hours, could 500k Iranians overwhelm Israel?

Obviously, it's a lot of death. But I'm thinking like a massive Starcraft ZERG rush lol

And then keep in mind Iran's population is 90million and roughly 60% are under the age of 40. That could mean 10 million 20-30 year olds

How do you think Iran is sending 2 million people in 50 hours. Do you think the Iranian military has enough trucks to do this. What do you think will happen when those trucks try and push through Iraq or Jordan. You think those countries will be fine will with a 2 million invasion force posting through their country.

How do you think Iran will support those 2 million people. They will need fuel water and food. Where is that coming from.
Perhaps look up the highway of death to see what happens in modern warfare when you try and move a massive shot of forces when your enemy has air superiority.

What you are doing is ignoring facts and creating a scenario that is not connected to reality.

 

[Parker_Chess]

I'm so sick of Israel. Hopefully Iran wipes the floor.

 

[braindrain]

I'm so sick of Israel. Hopefully Iran wipes the floor.

Anti-semites have to anti-Semite.

 

[Questerr]

They have more missiles than Israel has the means to defend them.



If your argument is that Israel has a superior military, there's no argument - they do. The US had a superior military to Vietnam. The Ukrainians, though they don't have the sheer numbers that Russia does, has outperformed Russia's military, but they're still losing. A superior military doesn't guarantee victory.

Israel is not only a small country; it's also an ethno-state. It is a country that depends on having a dominant ethnic majority. It wouldn't take a particularly large number of Iranian missiles to inflict serious damage on Israel's economy and sense of national security.

And their missiles only thing targets of value by sheer luck. Israel doesn't need to shoot down every Iranian missile, only those that would hit high value targets.

 

[Questerr]

I think Israel is more fragile than people realize. Yes, it has a really good military and intelligence/security services second-to-none, but they need it. From what I understand, Iran didn't use many of its more sophisticated missiles, and even so, inflicted major damage on some of Israel's critical infrastructure. Also keep in mind that Israel is an ethno-state. If Jews begin to flee in masses - even temporarily with the idea of returning - that's a potential problem.

Source for this claim?

 

[Questerr]

I agree which is my I made the caveat that Israel would need help from other countries to provide support, arms, or a buffer. Otherwise it's a question of velocity.

Just as an exercise, let's say Iran sends 2 million troops over 50 hours. That's 40,000 troops per hour. 20,000 troops every 30 minutes. Israel has an estimated 600 planes. Do they have 600 pilots? If 500k of those troops make it to Israel in those 50 hours, could 500k Iranians overwhelm Israel?

Obviously, it's a lot of death. But I'm thinking like a massive Starcraft ZERG rush lol

And then keep in mind Iran's population is 90million and roughly 60% are under the age of 40. That could mean 10 million 20-30 year olds

Countries between Iran and Israel would not be "supporting Israel" by refusing to allow Iran to invade them.

How exactly would Iran send 2 million troops anywhere? How would they even feed that many troops? How would they provide enough fuel and spare parts for vehicles moving them? Hell, how would they even get enough vehicles to move them? Do you think someone can walk from Iran to Israel in 50 hours and be in any shape to fight?

You clearly have no ****ing idea how war works outside of a video game.

 

[braindrain]

Countries between Iran and Israel would not be "supporting Israel" by refusing to allow Iran to invade them.

How exactly would Iran send 2 million troops anywhere? How would they even feed that many troops? How would they provide enough fuel and spare parts for vehicles moving them? Hell, how would they even get enough vehicles to move them? Do you think someone can walk from Iran to Israel in 50 hours and be in any shape to fight?

You clearly have no ****ing idea how war works outside of a video game.

It’s easy. You just live in fairytale land.

Just call up 2 million civilians. Somehow magically have enough weapons and enough trucks to deploy them 2000 miles through multiple countries, who for some insane reason are fine with a massive invasion force moving through their country.

Pretend they don’t need food or water and their trucks don’t need gas and that the Israeli Air Force will simply allow them to drive all the way to Israel with out bombing the everliving shit out of them.

And then just pretend these civilians will happily go to their death in mass with zero training as they attack a vastly superior force who has air superiority.

See. Simple.

 

[Jay59]

It depends on the opponent.

They could carve up any one country within 500 km. Their problem has always been the combined nature of the foes.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Conventionally, Israel has lost the war. Israel is getting its ass handed to it by Iran. Israel cannot continue at this pace. Tonight Israel was hit in three cities by a gigantic barrage of hypersonic missiles coming in so fast that the Iron Dome fails to intercept them completely. In a few weeks or a month at most Israel will be completely rubble. Netanyahu may have no choice but to exercise the Samson Option. But Putin has vowed that it Israel nukes Iran then Russia will nuke Israel.

Check out how bad Israel is burning right now as a result of Iran's bombardments:

The ignorance of this post is astonishing.

Iron dome cannot intercept ballistic missiles. It is for drones and rockets. Ballistic missiles are targeted with ABMs, such as the Patriot System (among others).

Iran just got pasted. Their air defense is gone, and their senior military leadership is now one big cloud of pink baloney mist.

Lastly, your timing is sublime.

 

[SoCal]

If you think Iran spending decades attacking Israel has no bearing on this you are fooling yourself.
Had they not why do you think Israel would care what Iran did...

Well again, Israel has already extracted their historic 10 to 1 retribution for past terrorists attacks. Currently Israel cares about stopping Iran's nuclear program;

"Israel’s military thinks the recent war with Iran has set the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program back by years..."
"I can say here that the assessment is that we significantly damaged the nuclear program, and I can also say that we set it back by years, I repeat, years..."

...Hard to figure out why Israel would not want the people who have been constantly attacking them through proxies and had the destruction of Israel as one of their national aims to not have nuclear weapons.

Is easy to figure out why Iran wouldn't nuke Israel, they know the price they'd pay by the hands of both Israel and the US. Besides, does Israel really need nukes? They recently murdered tens of thousands of civilians, women and children with conventional weapons and their refusal to allow relief will take thousands more...

"Israel perpetrated the crime of genocide in Gaza by killing Palestinian civilians, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about Palestinians’ physical destruction by causing mass forced displacement, obstructing or denying life-saving aid, and by damaging or destroying life-sustaining infrastructure.

Israeli attacks during the year caused at least 23,000 immediate fatalities..."

 

[braindrain]

Well again, Israel has already extracted their historic 10 to 1 retribution for past terrorists attacks. Currently Israel cares about stopping Iran's nuclear program;

"Israel’s military thinks the recent war with Iran has set the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program back by years..."
"I can say here that the assessment is that we significantly damaged the nuclear program, and I can also say that we set it back by years, I repeat, years..."


Is easy to figure out why Iran wouldn't nuke Israel, they know the price they'd pay by the hands of both Israel and the US. Besides, does Israel really need nukes? They recently murdered tens of thousands of civilians, women and children with conventional weapons and their refusal to allow relief will take thousands more...

"Israel perpetrated the crime of genocide in Gaza by killing Palestinian civilians, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about Palestinians’ physical destruction by causing mass forced displacement, obstructing or denying life-saving aid, and by damaging or destroying life-sustaining infrastructure.

Israeli attacks during the year caused at least 23,000 immediate fatalities..."

Do you honestly think any country conducts military operations with a goal of having equal casualties. Or is it just the Jews that are supposed to do that?

I can’t help but notice that you completely ignored the point of my post.
The decades of attacks on Israel along with the destruction of Israel being a stated goal of Iran is the reason that Israel doesn’t want them to have nuclear weapons.

If your neighbor was constantly throwing rocks at you and chanting he was going to murder you, would you want him to be able to buy a gun.

 

[Jack2aTee]

The ignorance of this post is astonishing.

Iron dome cannot intercept ballistic missiles. It is for drones and rockets. Ballistic missiles are targeted with ABMs, such as the Patriot System (among others).

Iran just got pasted. Their air defense is gone, and their senior military leadership is now one big cloud of pink baloney mist.

Lastly, your timing is sublime.

I've got my money on Iran. Preliminaries suggest Trump's bombing only set the Iranians back a few months despite Trump's lies. Majority of the world is lined up against Israel on this. Iran is 70-some times the size of Israel. There aren't enough bombs in the world to do the damage to Iran that Iran could and is doing to Israel. Iran has an endless supply of hypersonic missiles because the Iranians manufacture them underground. I've seen footage of the factories. Have you seen footage of Tel Aviv. It looks like Gaza, and the Iranians are not finished bombing by any stretch. What did Israel accomplish because getting their country bombed to sh*t? Six months from now Israel will be right back where they were 2 weeks ago, but this time staring down a dozen Iranian nuclear weapons. Smart educated Israelis are leaving. If I were going to be in one or the other I'd choose Iran in a heartbeat far as safety goes.

 

[Jack2aTee]

"The recent exchange of rockets between Israel and Iran, which started around June 13, 2025, began with Israel launching airstrikes targeting Iranian military leaders, nuclear scientists, uranium enrichment sites, and ballistic missile programs"

Israel, started this. They have nukes, but Iran can't. What do you expect when anyone is attacked? America, Ukraine, and anyone else will retaliate when attacked. Your crying wolf claiming Israel, "will be completely rubble", unlike Israel actually turning the West Bank into rubble, it won't happen to Israel.

If Israel nukes Iran in an attempt to stop Iran's nuclear program, they'll deserve what's coming...

I couldn't disagree with anything you said. I'm not pro_Israeli, I'm just pointing out the inevitability of Israel's demise.

 

[Jack2aTee]

So does that in your mind justify israel using a nuke? It doesn't in mine.

No, not at all. I"m not pro-Israel or Iran. I'm just pointing out the obvious: that Israelis going to lose this war.

 

[braindrain]

I've got my money on Iran. Preliminaries suggest Trump's bombing only set the Iranians back a few months despite Trump's lies. Majority of the world is lined up against Israel on this. Iran is 70-some times the size of Israel. There aren't enough bombs in the world to do the damage to Iran that Iran could and is doing to Israel. Iran has an endless supply of hypersonic missiles because the Iranians manufacture them underground. I've seen footage of the factories. Have you seen footage of Tel Aviv. It looks like Gaza, and the Iranians are not finished bombing by any stretch. What did Israel accomplish because getting their country bombed to sh*t? Six months from now Israel will be right back where they were 2 weeks ago, but this time staring down a dozen Iranian nuclear weapons. Smart educated Israelis are leaving. If I were going to be in one or the other I'd choose Iran in a heartbeat far as safety goes.

Seeing as you are ignorant enough on this topic to post the nonsense you posted in the op I am not sure why anyone should care what your money is on

Is that footage you are talking about similar to the “footage you posted at the start of this threads.

Sounds like you hate Israel and want them to lose are looking for anything you can to support what you want. Facts be damned.

That you have to keep using such bs sources proves that to be true.

 

[braindrain]

I couldn't disagree with anything you said. I'm not pro_Israeli, I'm just pointing out the inevitability of Israel's demise.

No what you are doing is posting Iranian propaganda. Nothing more.

 

[Craig234]

I am not anti-Israel. I can criticize the shit out of her, but Israel has a right to exist and to self-defense. I think Israel should listen more to the Ehud Barak wing of the country and less to the Bibi Netanyahu wing.

The problem with that is that it is a propaganda talking point when they say it because it's an attempt to call their crimes defense. Did Nazi Germany have a right to exist and to self-defense? What about Palestine and Iran's right to exist and to self-defense?