Israel may have no choice but to nuke Iran

[Questerr]

Again, you aren't understanding my posts. My point is Israel by itself couldn't win. It needs $$$, arms & support from the US, Europe & its neighboring countries. They don't have unlimited resources and manufacturing capabilities. Without that, Iran can simply overwhelm them with bodies sent TO Israel because Israel simply does not have the land or manpower. Do try harder please.

Its neighboring countries wouldn’t be “aiding Israel”. They would be defending themselves from invasion by Iran.

Iran can’t send bodies to Israel. They have no way of doing so.

 

[multivita-man]

So then you are just trying to deflect. Trump wanting a ceasefire isn’t any evidence that Israel’s foreign trade has “shut down” and your own links show you lied when you claimed it was.

I am an anti-Zionist and my posts on here bear that out. But I also know your claim that Iran can beat Israel in a conventional war is utter nonsense.

If Israel wants to continue fighting Iran without the help of the United States, let's watch that happen.

 

[Questerr]

If Israel wants to continue fighting Iran without the help of the United States, let's watch that happen.

It entirely depends on what Israel’s objectives are and you’ve already admitted you are totally ignorant about that very key piece of information.

 

[multivita-man]

It entirely depends on what Israel’s objectives are

Yes

and you’ve already admitted you are totally ignorant about that very key piece of information.

I did?

 

[Questerr]

Yes



I did?

Post 65.

 

[multivita-man]

Post 65.

Oh, you took a rhetorical device literally. Trying to win the internet.

 

[Questerr]

Oh, you took a rhetorical device literally. Trying to win the internet.

Ah, okay. You’re saying people should believe your own words when you write them.

I asked what Israel’s objective was and your response was “I don’t know”.

Are you saying you were lying then and you do know?

 

[Juin]

I'd like to think so as well, but even some of Netanyahu's toughest critics have backed him on this attack. What I'm curious to see is what comes next because a ceasefire doesn't really fix the original problem, and based on the rhetoric and assassinations, it seems Israel had a broader agenda in their strikes beyond just Iran's nuclear program.

Meaning, I imagine, whatever the agenda a ceasefire was not part of it

 

[braindrain]

Iran can defeat Israel in a conventional war. I am also guessing that now Iran has gotten some measure of pledged protection from Russia and possibly China and possibly Turkey and Pakistan.

MAGA needs to understand this, and they need to get it right ****ing now: there is no way they can force Iran to submit to their will. Iran is going to get nuclear protection, and short of starting a civilization-ending event, there is nothing Israel or the United States can do to stop them now.

Yeah sorry if I don’t care to much about what you are guessing.

And your claims that Iran can defeat Israel in a conventional war don’t seem to be backed up by to much more then your opinion.

So forgive if I don’t care to much for your assessment.

 

[braindrain]

Conventionally, Israel has lost the war. Israel is getting its ass handed to it by Iran. Israel cannot continue at this pace. Tonight Israel was hit in three cities by a gigantic barrage of hypersonic missiles coming in so fast that the Iron Dome fails to intercept them completely. In a few weeks or a month at most Israel will be completely rubble. Netanyahu may have no choice but to exercise the Samson Option. But Putin has vowed that it Israel nukes Iran then Russia will nuke Israel.

Check out how bad Israel is burning right now as a result of Iran's bombardments:

And they say the maga cult is gullible. lol it’s hilarious seeing to try and top them.

 

[braindrain]

My take, trying to be fair to our Israeli friends who read this:

I think Bibi doesn't like the idea of a ceasefire because...his own ass.

I think the IDF and many other forces within Israel, though they still have very reasonable suspicions about Iran, want a way out and probably never really signed on to this idea. I think there might have been some limited support for the idea of slowing down Iran's nuclear advancements and maybe some more outlandish hopes/dreams that the US would be willing to put boots on the ground, but the reality being what it is, I suspect many Israeli patriots see the limits to hard power and don't want to risk more serious damage.

I am not anti-Israel. I can criticize the shit out of her, but Israel has a right to exist and to self-defense. I think Israel should listen more to the Ehud Barak wing of the country and less to the Bibi Netanyahu wing.

And you are basing your ideas about what the IDF wants or thinks on what exactly. Because as of now it looks like you are just making shit up.

 

[braindrain]

Iran has the meat grinder & no oceans/channels separating them from Israel. The only way Israel wins is with support from other countries.

The Taliban in Afghanistan didn't have ballistic missiles either.

Iran could barely hold their own against Iraq.
And there is not much to indicate they have improved much since then.

And Israel has near complete air superiority over large parts of Iran.
And a vastly better equipped military.
And I highly doubt Israel intends to occupy Iran.

 

[braindrain]

Who said they were trying to? Who started this war? It has been the nexus of some extreme corners of the Israel-US nexus that have proposed regime change in Iran, destabilizing Iran, forcefully neutralizing Iran's enrichment capabilities.

Iran has sustained losses -- defensive losses. Not Stalingrad losses but losses nevertheless. Iran is punching back, and if you know anything about Iran's missile quantities, Israel's 'dome' quantities, and more importantly, the thin geography and tiny population (which has to remain X% Jewish by definition), it's clear that Israel is not winning. Their economy is shut down. They can barely move people in/out of the country.

Seeing as Iran has been funding the terrorists who have continually attacked Israel I would say that Iran stated it.

Yeah sure if I don’t put too much stock in your military analysis.

 

[braindrain]

Woooosh. A meat grinder can. Of course, if isnt just Israel, but the only way Israel survives is if other countries help Israel.

How exactly is a meat grinder going to help Iran as Israel has shown no interest in occupying Iran. Then can simply bomb them at will.
And I think you putting way to much credit towards the Iranian military.

 

[braindrain]

Iran has a population of 90mil vs Israel's 10 million. Almost 70% of Iran's population is under 35. They don't need ballistic missiles. But Israel needs US support & funding.

How do you think that larger population is going to help Iran. They have no realistic way to get those forces to Israel and has shown zero intrest in occupying Iran.
Israel can simply bomb Iran at will. And there is virtually nothing Iran can do to stop them.

 

[braindrain]

Iran could send more ground troops than the entire population of Israel. The only way Israel survives is if other countries fund & support them. They by themselves only would not be able to produce the weaponry required to stop an invasion of, say, 5 million Iranians. Yes, Iran would have to go through Iraq / Jordan / Syria but that's the point - the only way Israel can defeat Iran is if other countries support Israel. Israel alone is just not big enough & doesn't have the resources for conventional war against Iran beyond their air force.

How do you think they are going to send them
Load them on trucks to be bombed the whole way to Israel. Load them on planes to be shot out of the sky.

It is clear you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Maybe next time stick to a topic you actually understand. What ever that may be.

 

[Sweden]

Conventionally, Israel has lost the war. Israel is getting its ass handed to it by Iran. Israel cannot continue at this pace. Tonight Israel was hit in three cities by a gigantic barrage of hypersonic missiles coming in so fast that the Iron Dome fails to intercept them completely. In a few weeks or a month at most Israel will be completely rubble. Netanyahu may have no choice but to exercise the Samson Option. But Putin has vowed that it Israel nukes Iran then Russia will nuke Israel.

Check out how bad Israel is burning right now as a result of Iran's bombardments:

Never before ha so much error been packed into so small space.

One almost feels sorry for those Jew haters who see their dreams of nukes on Tel Aviv vanishing into the smoke.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

How do you think they are going to send them
Load them on trucks to be bombed the whole way to Israel. Load them on planes to be shot out of the sky.

It is clear you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Maybe next time stick to a topic you actually understand. What ever that may be.

And Israel only has so many bombs, so much fuel & so much money. This isn't a video game. If they launched 600 planes, dropped 3 bombs a piece, killed 100 per bomb, that's 180k deaths. Million+ more to go. It's clear you can't do basic algebra.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Israel can simply bomb Iran at will.

Only with the help of the US, Europe and other countries.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Iran could barely hold their own against Iraq.

Iraq's population + army size & land mass is waaaaay bigger than Israel. Iran could conscript an army that is the entire population of Israel if it wanted.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Not great timing on this OP considering a ceasefire was just announced.

amazing, eh?

 

[bongsaway]

Conventionally, Israel has lost the war. Israel is getting its ass handed to it by Iran. Israel cannot continue at this pace. Tonight Israel was hit in three cities by a gigantic barrage of hypersonic missiles coming in so fast that the Iron Dome fails to intercept them completely. In a few weeks or a month at most Israel will be completely rubble. Netanyahu may have no choice but to exercise the Samson Option. But Putin has vowed that it Israel nukes Iran then Russia will nuke Israel.

Check out how bad Israel is burning right now as a result of Iran's bombardments:

Uh huh, I've heard many people say the same thing after they voted for trump. I had no choice. I guess it was impossible to just not vote? Is this the same kind of no choice israel has?

 

[Jack2aTee]

Uh huh, I've heard many people say the same thing after they voted for trump. I had no choice. I guess it was impossible to just not vote? Is this the same kind of no choice israel has?

Israel is in a no-win situation. It cannot defeat Iran with missiles and bombing. But Iran can flatten a tiny sliver of land like Israel. Iran can ride it out and continue bombing until nothing of Israel is left, just like Israel did to Gaza.

 

[bongsaway]

Israel is in a no-win situation. It cannot defeat Iran with missiles and bombing. But Iran can flatten a tiny sliver of land like Israel. Iran can ride it out and continue bombing until nothing of Israel is left, just like Israel did to Gaza.

So does that in your mind justify israel using a nuke? It doesn't in mine.

 

[braindrain]

And Israel only has so many bombs, so much fuel & so much money. This isn't a video game. If they launched 600 planes, dropped 3 bombs a piece, killed 100 per bomb, that's 180k deaths. Million+ more to go. It's clear you can't do basic algebra.

I don’t think you understand how war actually works.