Israel has a right to self defense

[Quasar44]

They only use very limited force
They are 100 percent entitled to defend themselves
from people who want them dead .
Are they perfect ?? No

Hamas is almost as brutal as Isis

 

[swing_voter]

It's a very complicated issue.

 

[vegas giants]

They only use very limited force
They are 100 percent entitled to defend themselves
from people who want them dead .
Are they perfect ?? No

Hamas is almost as brutal as Isis

Do Palestinians have a right of self defense

 

[Quasar44]

Yes the Palestinians should topple Hamas

 

[btthegreat]

It's a very complicated issue.

Not to people who have an agenda that requires it be simple. They need it to fit into a small box, and wrapped up in propaganda for a series of still life photos.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Israel has the moral right to obliterate any country that overruns its borders.

Overrun Israel, and the Muslim near and middle East will turn into molten glass, including centers like Istanbul, Damascus, Tehran, Baghdad, Medina, Mecca, etc.

 

[Quasar44]

Pales need far better leadership
Bill Clinton offered them the best deal ever and they refused

 

[Evilroddy]

They only use very limited force
They are 100 percent entitled to defend themselves
from people who want them dead .
Are they perfect ?? No

Hamas is almost as brutal as Isis

Q44:

Please define "self-defence".

Does that include forcefully driving Arabs from their cities and villages and then not allowing them to return? Does that mean destroying cleared Arab villages and then hiding the remains in forests and parks paid for by foreign contribution to JNF Blue Boxes? Does that include attacking neighbouring states without military provocation? Does that include sending assassination squads to assassinate enemies of the State of Israel? Does that include developing a nuclear military arsenal but denying international inspection of that nuclear infrastructure? Does that mean bulldozing homes and villages of Arabs in the Palestinian Occupied Territories? Does that include bombing wide swaths of Gaza and dehousing large numbers of Palestinians as collective punishment? Does that include having Mossad plant bombs in Iraqi Jewish places of worship in order to trigger a bigger exodus of Jews from Iraq to Israel? Does that include attacking a French port city to prevent the shipment of nuclear technology to a rival state which had bought the materials legally from France? Does that include starting wars against international law and then annexing territory captured in those illegal wars as a further breach of international law? Does that include snipers gunning down Gaza Palestinians during protests on Gaza territory?

What do you mean by self-defence?

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Tigerace117]

Israel has the moral right to obliterate any country that overruns its borders.

Overrun Israel, and the Muslim near and middle East will turn into molten glass, including centers like Istanbul, Damascus, Tehran, Baghdad, Medina, Mecca, etc.

Nuking Mecca and Medina would be idiocy of the highest order.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Nuking Mecca and Medina would be idiocy of the highest order.

If Israel is overrun, it will destroy its mortal enemy and their homelands.

 

[Tigerace117]

If Israel is overrun, it will destroy its mortal enemy and their homelands.

And it will ensure that Jews across the world will be placed in grave danger.

You don’t nuke a incredibly important religious site with no military value. Muslims would, understandably, go ballistic.

 

[Quasar44]

We don’t want any more wars!!
There are plenty of very nice Arab people who want peace
Israel has used a tad too much force many times but it’s a complex thing

 

[Quasar44]

I don’t hate the Muslim World and I hope Islam can have a reformation and evolve

 

[truthatallcost]

They only use very limited force
They are 100 percent entitled to defend themselves
from people who want them dead .
Are they perfect ?? No

Hamas is almost as brutal as Isis

Then so do the Palestinians, and other Arabs who're in a dispute with Israel. The only honorable thing for the US to do, is to withdraw our support from Israel, and let them sort it out amongst themselves. We should not conduct any military action against Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc, if they aren't a direct threat to us.
Otherwise, we should arm the Palestinians, and give them $4 billion in aid per year, so they can fight a fair fight with Israel. We arm and aid one side, yet not the other, which isn't fair.

 

[Jean-s]

To say that Israel has a right to defend itself is to use a language code which means the Israelis can do whatever they want to kill, maim, humiliate, and deny self determination of the Palestinian people. Just as the Germans in World War II considered the civilian populations of occupied European countries to be their enemies so too do the Israelis consider as hostile the Palestinian children and their mothers and the entire non-Jewish population of occupied Palestine and deservedly the subject of persecution and obliteration with regular massacres in Gaza and increasing apartheid in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as well as Israel itself. So, whenever an American president uses the phrase that Israel has the right to defend itself, you can be sure that blockaded Gaza is already being bombed to bits from land, sea, and air. It is a green light to the Israelis to let them do their worst in the knowledge that they will receive no sanction from the UN Security Council.

 

[truthatallcost]

To say that Israel has a right to defend itself is to use a language code which means the Israelis can do whatever they want to kill, maim, humiliate, and deny self determination of the Palestinian people. Just as the Germans in World War II considered the civilian populations of occupied European countries to be their enemies so too do the Israelis consider as hostile the Palestinian children and their mothers and the entire non-Jewish population of occupied Palestine and deservedly the subject of persecution and obliteration with regular massacres in Gaza and increasing apartheid in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as well as Israel itself. So, whenever an American president uses the phrase that Israel has the right to defend itself, you can be sure that blockaded Gaza is already being bombed to bits from land, sea, and air. It is a green light to the Israelis to let them do their worst in the knowledge that they will receive no sanction from the UN Security Council.

Oh but running over women with bulldozers is 'fighting terrorism', to those intellectually dishonest people who are the modern day colonizers.

 

[Quasar44]

You’re drawing an analogy of Israel and 1940s Germany
If that was true ...there would not exist a West Bank or Gaza
Wise up !!!

 

[Quasar44]

Right lol
You clearly know zero about history or anything factual

 

[truthatallcost]

Right lol
You clearly know zero about history or anything factual

If you wish to respond to someone, click the Reply With Quote button. Otherwise no one is going to respond to you.

 

[Quasar44]

Israeli Air Force has the best pilots on Earth
IAF that separates them from any enemy and they have the best tanks in the world
Plus Israel has incredible special forces and hit squads

 

[Evilroddy]

Still no definition of what the OP means by "self-defence". The silence is telling.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

We don’t want any more wars!!
There are plenty of very nice Arab people who want peace
Israel has used a tad too much force many times but it’s a complex thing

Q44:

"We"? I thought you were from Las Vegas? Are you an expat Israeli citizen living in Nevada?

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[jamesbyoung]

And it will ensure that Jews across the world will be placed in grave danger.

You don’t nuke a incredibly important religious site with no military value. Muslims would, understandably, go ballistic.

No, they would not. They would be on notice by the rest of the world.

 

[NO1]

Pales need far better leadership
Bill Clinton offered them the best deal ever and they refused

As Dennis Ross, former Middle East Envoy under President Clinton said -

Palestinian political culture is rooted in a narrative of injustice; its anticolonialist bent and its deep sense of grievance treats concessions to Israel as illegitimate. Compromise is portrayed as betrayal, and negotiations — which are by definition about mutual concessions — will inevitably force any Palestinian leader to challenge his people by making a politically costly decision.
But going to the United Nations does no such thing. It puts pressure on Israel and requires nothing of the Palestinians. Resolutions are typically about what Israel must do and what Palestinians should get. If saying yes is costly and doing nothing isn’t, why should we expect the Palestinians to change course?

Here is a brief of the palestinians rejectionism -

 

[Tigerace117]

No, they would not. They would be on notice by the rest of the world.

The rest of the world would not be able to do anything about it.

You have to understand, Mecca and Medina are not military targets. They are religious sites which are incredibly important to the Muslim world. Nuking them would be nothing more than an act of spite on a level which would cause the Muslim world to go absolutely berserk. And there wouldn’t be a whole lot of interest in stepping in. Any Israeli who ordered that and survived would wind up in The Hague pretty damn quickly.