This ain't no excuse to shoot rockets from a person's house. It simply tells Israel "If you're gonna shoot, we'll take down civilians with us."
I don't expect Hamas to launch rockets from open fields as it'd just be slaughtered easily. That doesn't mean I won't object to them shooting at our civilians while taking hostage their own. That is a double crime against humanity, and I cannot accept it.
If the journalists were to die, it'd deal a much larger damage to Israel than blocking their entrance.
Israel did the right thing in not letting them in.
No, it's not simply bogus, there's enough evidence to support the claim that they do so.I never supported hamas shooting rockets. They never shot them FROM people's houses that's simply bogus. But when the IDF attacks them, they are not going to go sit in open fields and you agreed.
A violation Israel can handle.I was a war photographer myself for many years and it is not acceptable by the journalistic code for military forces not to allow journalists into areas of conflict. It is a violation to the professional code, as simple as that.
No, it's not simply bogus, there's enough evidence to support the claim that they do so.
And the fact that I agreed Hamas members aren't going to shoot rockets from open fields means I'm a realist, not that I'm fine with them shooting rockets from houses.
A violation Israel can handle.
What kind of evidence do you want? Would a video taken from the air showing a rocket launching from a house do?Show me the evidence that they were shooting from homes and I'll accpet it.
I only speak of the journalists thing, but hey, whatever suits your imagination.Yes, Israel has handled a huge numbers of violations, including U.N. resolutions and the use of illegal weapons. I'm sure that they can handle this one also.
What kind of evidence do you want? Would a video taken from the air showing a rocket launching from a house do?
I only speak of the journalists thing, but hey, whatever suits your imagination.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAokqVFMvWU&feature=related]YouTube - Israeli Air Force Strikes Rocket Launcher 27.12.08[/ame]Yes, a video will be just fine.
My imagination ? Why did they leave hundreds of thousands of cluster bombs in South Lebanon that are still killing and maiming civilians ?
YouTube - Israeli Air Force Strikes Rocket Launcher 27.12.08
They didn't leave cluster bombs there. Leaving cluster bombs would mean they purposely just left it there for it to explode later. Cluster bombs have a high rate of bombs that fail to explode when being launched. It's not considered an illegal weapon, however, and many countries use it.
Israel gains nothing from simply killing civilians. This is just ridiculous. Cluster bombs are legal weapons and their high detonation failure rate didn't stop them from being legal weapons.yes, I've seen that film already, in a densely populated area empty schools and mosques are good hiding palces. As for hiding weapons in homes, it is their homes, they are a militia and live among their families.
The use of children as fighters has always been the case for decades and I find it very sad. I have interviewed a few of them and it's very shocking.
They all feel responsible in taking part in the resistence, even women and children.
The cluster bombs that they left behind in South Lebanon were old stocks and they knew very well that the majority would not explode on impact. They used them anyway and until this day, civilians are getting killed and maimed. Most of them have been removed by experts and many are still burried in the ground.
YouTube - Israeli Soldier Speaks the Truth on BBC
edit: sorry, not the one you posted, I've seen another one.
Israel gains nothing from simply killing civilians. This is just ridiculous. Cluster bombs are legal weapons and their high detonation failure rate didn't stop them from being legal weapons.
And about the 'resistance', yes, the mighty resistance. We all saw how fast they ran to their sewers once the IDF reached the city. They're not a resistance to the IDF but rather to humanity itself.
Also, the guy in that video belongs to the far-left political wing in Israel. It's hilarious how they tried to show him as a patriot who loves his country.
Wow. Just wow.What you consider terrorists, they consider resistants. Weather you like it or not, weather I like it or not, that's the case.
I'm glad that there's a left-wing in Israel that realise the crimes of their country, and I'm glad that there are many like me who realise the crimes of my people.
You cannot deny that the cluster and phosphorous bombs caused unnecessary civilian casualties and they are still causing damage until today.
Israel is not the just and merciful state that you'd like it to be. I have no problem admitting our mistakes, why are you having so much trouble admitting those that Israel has comitted ?
Wow. Just wow.
You keep pressing me to admit mistakes Israel did. That's nice and hippie and peaceful and all, but I don't see any mistakes. Yes, Israel is the just and moral country I'd wish it to be. It is the people of Israel who rule the country, as a democracy, and not some terrorist group that does whatever it wishes. We grow on western values of humanity and justice. We don't kill civilians. Simple and clear, we don't get anything from doing it and we will never murder innocents. That is just wrong, and no matter how many self-hating folks would admit alleged 'mistakes' that Israel did, I would not recognize a mistake that I don't believe my country did.
Wow. Just wow.
You keep pressing me to admit mistakes Israel did. That's nice and hippie and peaceful and all, but I don't see any mistakes. Yes, Israel is the just and moral country I'd wish it to be. It is the people of Israel who rule the country, as a democracy, and not some terrorist group that does whatever it wishes. We grow on western values of humanity and justice. We don't kill civilians. Simple and clear, we don't get anything from doing it and we will never murder innocents. That is just wrong, and no matter how many self-hating folks would admit alleged 'mistakes' that Israel did, I would not recognize a mistake that I don't believe my country did.
My bad, I've meant "We don't murder civilians". Hopefully it'd help you sleep at nights.The only way this statement is justified is if you believe all Palestinians/Lebanese to be terrorists and not civilians, which is an equally absurd statement.
My bad, I've meant "We don't murder civilians". Hopefully it'd help you sleep at nights.
No, we don't. You can go on and on with it. In the end, there is only one simple truth.You DO murder innocents, you DO murder civilians, you DO break all the laws of human rights, you DO break U.N. resolutions, you DO use illegal weapons, you DO humiliate elderly people at checkpoints, you DO shoot at ambulances, you DO raid homes, you DO kill children on their way to school.......
I have seen many of your crimes with my own eyes, you can deny all you want but that does NOT change the reality.
When we are fully aware that the bombs would kill civilians, which means 100% chance that civilians would die, we don't shoot. But in most of the cases we just can't know if civilians would get hurt from the explosion for sure. It's just not possible to know for sure. We do our best to avoid such incidents by dropping leaflets and calling people who live next to the targeted area and warning them. We can't assure a 0% civilians involvement. We wish we could, but it's just not possible.If you are bombing an area that is densely populated by civilians, and you are fully aware that the bombs that you drop will kill civilians, then you are intentionally killing civilians.
No, we don't. You can go on and on with it. In the end, there is only one simple truth.
When we are fully aware that the bombs would kill civilians, which means 100% chance that civilians would die, we don't shoot. But in most of the cases we just can't know if civilians would get hurt from the explosion for sure. It's just not possible to know for sure. We do our best to avoid such incidents by dropping leaflets and calling people who live next to the targeted area and warning them. We can't assure a 0% civilians involvement. We wish we could, but it's just not possible.
Same goes for the US. Do you think they deliberately kill civilians?
When we are fully aware that the bombs would kill civilians, which means 100% chance that civilians would die, we don't shoot. But in most of the cases we just can't know if civilians would get hurt from the explosion for sure. It's just not possible to know for sure. We do our best to avoid such incidents by dropping leaflets and calling people who live next to the targeted area and warning them. We can't assure a 0% civilians involvement. We wish we could, but it's just not possible.
Same goes for the US. Do you think they deliberately kill civilians?
By accusing Israel of deliberately killing civilians, do you accuse it for shooting even though it knows civilians would die, or do you accuse it for shooting because it knows civilians would die?When you trap a population of 1.5 million people into 360 sq. km of land and start bombing without allowing anyone to leave and blocking aid, you are deliberately killing civilians.
By accusing Israel of deliberately killing civilians, do you accuse it for shooting even though it knows civilians would die, or do you accuse it for shooting because it knows civilians would die?
Anywhere but the targeted area.Dropping leaflets for people to go WHERE ???
Hah, but I already confessed this mistake to you in another thread. You didn't seem to include it in your "YOU DON'T CONFESS YOUR MISTAKES" speech.You told the people in Marjayoun to leave and then you targetted the civilian convoys.
It's quite clear that you have a certain agenda. One that I could easily compare to a few 'resistance' fighters, but I think I'll skip it.Both. It's quite clear that collective punishment is a strategy implemented by the IDF.
It's quite clear that you have a certain agenda. One that I could easily compare to a few 'resistance' fighters, but I think I'll skip it.
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