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Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say

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An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.

Eighty-six per cent of those who voted in the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) supported the motion.

The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).”

 
We did not need the "world's top scholars" to confirm for us that Israel is committing genocide, mass murders, and overall a laundry list of war crimes.

On the other hand, what we do need is the US under Trump to stop blindly supporting Netanyahu's intention for the wholesale killing of anyone left alive in Gaza until he obtains the entire area and turn it into some mixed use community where Trump can build a tower, a line of condos, and a golf course.
 
An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.

Eighty-six per cent of those who voted in the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) supported the motion.

The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).”

I’m glad they’ve officially announced the consensus, but this is more for history than anything else.

After all, America is the one backing the genocide.
 
On the other hand, what we do need is the US under Trump to stop blindly supporting Netanyahu's intention for the wholesale killing of anyone left alive in Gaza until he obtains the entire area and turn it into some mixed use community where Trump can build a tower, a line of condos, and a golf course.

Are we really now saying blind, dogmatic support for Israel is unique to Trump?

I mean, if anything Trump is less morally culpable. At least with Trump we can say he's doing good by the voter since the majority of Republican voters & elite class are Evangelical cultists or psychopathic Jewish ethnic supremacists. The majority of Democrat voters are ideologically vocally opposed to Israel, but Biden (and others) still poured money and arms into Israel, against the wishes of the voting base.

I understand what you're saying, but this tendency to turn Zionism into the partisan political game like any other issue is problematic. The most powerful critique of Zionism is that it is this fourth column, subversive element which bypasses the will of the people despite its growing unpopularity.
 
Are we really now saying blind, dogmatic support for Israel is unique to Trump?

I mean, if anything Trump is less morally culpable. At least with Trump we can say he's doing good by the voter since the majority of Republican voters & elite class are Evangelical cultists or psychopathic Jewish ethnic supremacists. The majority of Democrat voters are ideologically vocally opposed to Israel, but Biden (and others) still poured money and arms into Israel, against the wishes of the voting base.

I understand what you're saying, but this tendency to turn Zionism into the partisan political game like any other issue is problematic. The most powerful critique of Zionism is that it is this fourth column, subversive element which bypasses the will of the people despite its growing unpopularity.
Trump has not changed policy except to announce he wants to complete the genocide.
 
Trump has not changed policy except to announce he wants to complete the genocide.

Agreed, but this is consistent with what his voters want.
 
Are we really now saying blind, dogmatic support for Israel is unique to Trump?

I mean, if anything Trump is less morally culpable. At least with Trump we can say he's doing good by the voter since the majority of Republican voters & elite class are Evangelical cultists or psychopathic Jewish ethnic supremacists. The majority of Democrat voters are ideologically vocally opposed to Israel, but Biden (and others) still poured money and arms into Israel, against the wishes of the voting base.

I understand what you're saying, but this tendency to turn Zionism into the partisan political game like any other issue is problematic. The most powerful critique of Zionism is that it is this fourth column, subversive element which bypasses the will of the people despite its growing unpopularity.

No, if anything it has been bipartisan for years but you could argue that Netanyahu turned up the wick the moment Trump took power (give or take.) Does not forgive really anyone with influence on our foreign policy for the last several decades.

Just means we are beyond the period of time where a President gets to blame everyone else. And here we are today seeing all this killing, all this starvation and awkward application of medical care and supplies, and ultimately seeing genocide and war crimes play out.

Something has to give, my opinion it is our foreign policy.
 
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An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.
Of course they do.
 
Something has to give, my opinion it is our foreign policy.

Obviously foreign policy needs to change but in order for that to happen, people need to have a coherent understanding of what Zionism is and why it seems so prevalent.

Liberals don't seem to be able to offer a coherent critique because for lack of a better phrase, Jews are an untouchable victim class who are exempt from leftist universalism given their history. Obviously Republicans aren't even interested in a critique.
 
Obviously foreign policy needs to change but in order for that to happen, people need to have a coherent understanding of what Zionism is and why it seems so prevalent.

Liberals don't seem to be able to offer a coherent critique because for lack of a better phrase, Jews are an untouchable victim class who are exempt from leftist universalism given their history. Obviously Republicans aren't even interested in a critique.
I think people, especially among the left, understand more than you imagine them to with regards to Zionism, particularly when many establishment Democratic politicos still openly defy what are now clear and prevailing super majorities among their party that hold a supremely justified negative opinion of Israel (while as recently as early March, a narrow, and growing, majority of Americans overall also view it negatively).

It's not so much that people don't know what Zionism is, and why it and its apologists are so unduly prominent, even in corners and spaces where they are clearly spurned and unwanted, it's that mainstream platforms aren't willing to admit to the egregious lobbying and campaign finance provided by the ideology that form the basis of its now primarily astroturfed support and presence.
 
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Obviously foreign policy needs to change but in order for that to happen, people need to have a coherent understanding of what Zionism is and why it seems so prevalent.

Liberals don't seem to be able to offer a coherent critique because for lack of a better phrase, Jews are an untouchable victim class who are exempt from leftist universalism given their history. Obviously Republicans aren't even interested in a critique.
What would be a better critique?
 
Update: This organization was totally fake. The International Association of Genocide Scholars was not the "world's leading genocide scholars' association." It was a completely bogus organization that anyone could join as long as you paid them a little bit of money. It was comprised of 600 random trolls, and has now shut down entirely.

 
Update: This organization was totally fake. The International Association of Genocide Scholars was not the "world's leading genocide scholars' association." It was a completely bogus organization that anyone could join as long as you paid them a little bit of money. It was comprised of 600 random trolls, and has now shut down entirely.



Evidence that it's shut down entirely? Because it's website is active and I can't find any source claiming it has shut down.

600 random trolls you say? Bogus organisation you say? Let's have a look at some of the members and Presidents:

Andrew Woolford is a sociology professor at the University of Manitoba and a former president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars.

Alexander Laban Hinton is an American anthropologist whose work focuses on genocide, mass violence, extremism, transitional justice, and human rights. He has written extensively on the Cambodian genocide and, in 2016, was an expert witness at the Khmer Rouge Tribunal.

William Anthony Schabas is a Canadian academic specialising in international criminal and human rights law. He is professor of international law at Middlesex University and an internationally respected expert on human rights law, genocide and the death penalty.

Gregory H. Stanton is an American jurist, academic and human rights activist. He is best known for his work in the area of genocide studies. Stanton is a former research professor in Genocide Studies and Prevention at the George Mason University in Fairfax County, Virginia, United States.

Robert Melson is professor emeritus of political science and a member of the Jewish studies program at Purdue University. From 2003 to 2005, he was the President of the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS). In 2006 and 2007, he was the Cathy Cohen-Lasry Distinguished Professor in the Strassler Family Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Clark University, Worcester, Massachusetts.

Janja Beč Neumann is a Serbian-born sociologist, genocide researcher, writer and lecturer.

Those are some highly academic trolls.

The Executive Director of the Auschwitz Institute for the Prevention of Genocide doesn't seen to think it's bogus:

“I see being part of IAGS as essential for all professionals in the field of mass atrocity prevention. In the many years I’ve been a member I had the opportunity to learn about groundbreaking research in the field and connect to academics and professionals working on atrocity prevention in all regions of the world, all thanks to IAGS. The organization provides immense opportunities for learning, networking and, in my experience, is an essential space of interaction for all people working to prevent atrocities today.” - Tibi Galis, PhD, Executive Director of the Auschwitz Institute for the Prevention of Genocide and Mass Atrocities
 
Update: This organization was totally fake. The International Association of Genocide Scholars was not the "world's leading genocide scholars' association." It was a completely bogus organization that anyone could join as long as you paid them a little bit of money. It was comprised of 600 random trolls, and has now shut down entirely.



Seems pretty legitimate, the membership features notable academics, and as mentioned prior, there is no evidence of any disbanding.
 
Everybody knows about the genocide now. The report speaks for itself. The depth of desperation it must take to argue that the organization "is really just trolls" when linking to countless articles that have been in the media the past year ... well, it's ridiculous.

And yet, opposing genocide doesn't seem to amount to anything - not when the UN is involved, or private organizations, or Harvard, or the Pope ... it's like, who cares? What power do they have?

It reaches the point where you question whether the idea of genocide was ever anything but a tool to benefit the right people. Was the end of World War II merely a case of "Victors' Justice"? Is the Nazi way of doing things just par for the course in the world? We keep seeing these things in Tigray, in Yemen, in Gaza, in Darfur, in Azerbaijan and/or Armenia ... we keep pretending, "well this is just an exception" and scribbling it on a list and hoping nobody notices the far end of the list trails the floor. The press is banned, so they're just supposed to forget about it.
 
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