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Pretty hard to shoot down a rocket fired at you from an unarmed population.another one of those apparently nonexistent rockets fired today, in fact.
:shrug: it's not impossible, a lot of what Israel provides is intangible. How do you put a financial metric onto (for example) human intelligence that ISIL is planning an attack in (making something up) Spain?
The Israelis are the greatest military liability the US currently has and the record goes back decades involving some of the most militarily sensitive technologies.
WRMEA | Defense and Intelligence: Pentagon, GAO Report Israeli Espionage And Illegal Technology Retransfer
Now you're just citing known conspiracy theory websites with an anti-Israeli agenda. A tiny advice; stick to mainstream sources.
Please cite where this is in error then ?
In 1992, the Washington Times alleged that exported American Patriot missiles and Israel's indigenous Lavi jet aircraft technology had been shared with China, although official U.S. investigations did not substantiate these charges.[48]
Now you're just citing known conspiracy theory websites with an anti-Israeli agenda. A tiny advice; stick to mainstream sources.
Please cite where this is in error then ? You've already been given a considerable list to choose from
Nah - better to shoot the messenger.
The claim that Israel sold the Lavi aircraft (an indigenous Israeli technology by the way) and the Patriot missiles technologies to China is a baseless one.
So Israel developed US style stealth technologies all on its own to sell to them then ? :roll:
And regardless of the above when it comes to sites like globalresearch and WRMEA and other well-known conspiracy theory sites I tend to just ignore them.
I suppose dismissing them out of hand is easier than addressing what they are saying
In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade. More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002.
So Israel developed US style stealth technologies all on its own to sell to them then ?
In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade. More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002.
How did you manage to understand that?
Israel did not sell the Lavi aircraft technology, which isn't 'US style', by the way, but an Israeli indigenous technology, to the Chinese. That is a false, basless assertion, just like the claim it sold the Patriot missiles technology to China, as the Wiki article I've linked to shows.
As I stated in an earlier post in this thread there was only one instance when Israel had wronged the US over its trade with China, and it had apologized for it and the individual responsible had resigned from office. You still failed to take note of my own notation earlier that this incident is completely irrelevant when one is concerning himself with an analysis of the entire Israeli-American relationship.
This comment would have worked better had I not responded several minutes earlier with an answer to his question, y'know.
It's all about the timing.
And what about giving an answer to my post?
Should we give Israel more aid? ...
Your understanding of the Bible kept you in the dark....apparently
I'd say that's the number 1 reason people do support Israel and the Jewish people. Natural man has just assumed he knows better.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/natural-man
Oh, they have hammers, too. And spades. And pointy sticks. I guess that doesn't make them an "unarmed population", huh?
Sure, 'cause if you don't grease 'em well, they just going to keep that for themselves (like they did with 9-11), huh? After all you and all the rest are merely goyim, between man and animal. Think not about what Israel can do for you, but rather what could you do for Israel, bud.
Oh, they have hammers, too. And spades. And pointy sticks. I guess that doesn't make them an "unarmed population", huh?
How many Israelis did these potassium-loaded flying objects killed? I'll bet they cost more Palestinian lives.
Sure, 'cause if you don't grease 'em well, they just going to keep that for themselves (like they did with 9-11), huh? After all you and all the rest are merely goyim, between man and animal. Think not about what Israel can do for you, but rather what could you do for Israel, bud.
Pretty much the same result with this all this kind of fantaisist tribal tripe. Religion has done much more harm than good over the years. Too bad you're falling for it hook, line and sinker.
That didn't answer my question
And what problems did the US face in the region before its intimate involvement with Israel then
But you are OK with Israel having them though ? Thats never going to work out very well
Lets just say for arguments sake Israel had fallen during the 1973 Yom Kippur conflict. How do you think the US position in the region would be different today ?
On the contrary it was a touchstone for its dissent. By Bin Laden’s own account, this is why al Qaeda attacked America. His critique has never been cultural; he never mentions Madonna, Hollywood, homosexuality or drugs in his diatribes. US support for Israel, especially the support it gave to Israel’s invasion of southern Lebanon in 1982, first triggered Bin Laden’s anti-Americanism.
You can make weapons pretty easily, but I find the notion that Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et. al are unarmed to be fairly entertaining. Do you often make ridiculously, obviously, blatantly untrue statements when discussing the Palestinians?
:shrug: all nations tend to seek what their leadership perceives as the leaderships' self-interest, which generally overlaps heavily with the broader national interest.
But if you wish to be a 9/11 Truther, there is a forum for you here. Go be an anti-Semite nutter there.
It's been part of my life for 55 years. I'd be lost without it.
It did indeed. We are not under regular rocket attack.
Really who ?:raises eyebrows: regular warfare? Groups dedicated to destroying the western/American influence in the region? Destabilizing and dangerous moves by regimes inherently opposed to us and allied with the Soviets?
Remember, the US didn't begin its' "intimate involvement" with Israel until after the 1967 war - decades after "The America I Have Seen" and "Signposts" put America center in the cross-hairs of the Sunni Islamist movement.
And has destabilised the region for decades. As long as this strategic imbalance remains these states will want such weaponsIt seems to have worked out very well indeed. It has keept Arab nation-states in check (obviously it would not keep the Islamic State in check, and it is a coin flip whether it would keep the Islamic Republic in check), and done it's part to turn the region from one that see's regular large-scale wars between nation-states to one that see's wars against non-nation-state networks.
All pretty unlikely given the US was licking its wounds after its Vietnam debacle. Any president suggesting another foreign entanglement immediately afterwards would not have remained in office too longHm. Its' an interesting counterfactual. Probably we would have gone to war against Egypt and Syria during the resultant mass bloodbath of Israeli citizens. One thing Kissinger and Nixon weren't afraid of was sending in the Marines to teach third world countries a lesson. Given their backing, it's not impossible it would have sparked a kinetic conflict with the Soviet Union (people underestimate how very friggin hair-trigger the 1973 fight was), although a more likely scenario is that they funnel support to Syria (but not Egypt) to increase American casualties and drain American resources. Post Vietnam, our military would have had good combat experience, but incredibly low morale - whether or not some good victories in the desert against enemies we can see would have helped or not is a coin toss. A long and painful partial occupation of the territory currently covered by Israel and Palestine would have probably followed, but we would have lacked the ability to go further. Egypt's junta would have been unlikely to survive both the war and its aftermath, and Egypt today would probably be ruled by an Islamist Theocracy, similar to Iran.
On the contrary I think the region would be pretty much at peace now with relatively affluent societies much like the UAE or Bahrain or like the Lebanon was before the mid 70s. There may be the odd Hussein style despot but we would see nothing like the regional instability we currently do.So we would be in a much, much, much worse position, far more exposed, with significantly larger casualties and much higher, much more constant costs.
More like firework attack from what I've seen
What interests would Israel have in not preventing an ally from a possible attack? Heck, it is your ally and they didn't even prevented you about 9-11...
When have you been to Israel, exactly?
This 'firework' falling 10 meters away from you and the nails the terrorists fill them with will make short work of your brains if the explosion wouldn't.
Quite arrogant to be describing it as 'firework' when it's not your house that is being the target to thousands of them, but then again you do base your entire opinion on conspiracy theory hate sites as proven a few pages ago so that explains it.
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