Israel announces expansion of military operation in Gaza to seize ‘large areas’ of land, ordering residents to leave

[Allan]

This looks like a move to start clearing out Gaza to make way for the resort development Trump and Netanyahu want.

CNN —
Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz announced Wednesday a major expansion of the military’s operation in Gaza involving the seizure of large areas of land that would be “incorporated into Israel’s security zones.”

In the statement, Katz said the operation would also involve a “large-scale evacuation of Gaza’s population from combat zones,” without specifying details.

The families of hostages are rightfully infuriated. Their loved ones seem to be forgotten in the rush to ethnic cleansing.

The families’ forum of the Israeli hostages on Wednesday said they were “horrified to wake up” to the news of the military operation being expanded.

“Instead of securing the release of the hostages through an agreement and ending the war, the Israeli government is sending more soldiers into Gaza to fight in the same places they have fought time and again,” the forum said in a statement.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/middleeast/israel-expands-military-operations-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[Sweden]

This looks like a move to start clearing out Gaza to make way for the resort development Trump and Netanyahu want.



The families of hostages are rightfully infuriated. Their loved ones seem to be forgotten in the rush to ethnic cleansing.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/middleeast/israel-expands-military-operations-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

No. It looks like Israel preempting further Hamas atrocities. Nothing to do with Trump's absurd
resort' notions.
It is to, say the least, doubtful if any hostages are still alive.

 

[bongsaway]

No. It looks like Israel preempting further Hamas atrocities. Nothing to do with Trump's absurd
resort' notions.
It is to, say the least, doubtful if any hostages are still alive.

So israel attacking Gaza isn't really Israel attacking Gaza, they are attacking Hamas? Netan Yahoo is a war criminal.

 

[Allan]

So israel attacking Gaza isn't really Israel attacking Gaza, they are attacking Hamas? Netan Yahoo is a war criminal.

As is Trump who proposed and is encouraging the ethnic cleansing.

 

[gboisjo]

So israel attacking Gaza isn't really Israel attacking Gaza, they are attacking Hamas?

Exactly, Hamas can't be allowed to rule Gaza.

Democrats see the Hamas terrorist as freedom fighters and is one of the reasons why Trump won.

 

[Allan]

Democrats see the Hamas terrorist as freedom fighters

They most certainly do not. I doubt there's anyone on the forum who doesn't consider Hamas terrorists.

 

[Tigerace117]

Exactly, Hamas can't be allowed to rule Gaza.

Democrats see the Hamas terrorist as freedom fighters and is one of the reasons why Trump won.

Hamas uses near identical tactics to the ones Israel used to gain their own independence.

Israel has killed more civilians in a single year than Hamas and Hezbollah have, combined, in their entire existence.

And no amount of cries about “terrorism” can change those realities.

 

[gboisjo]

Democrats see the Hamas terrorist as freedom fighters and is one of the reasons why Trump won.

They most certainly do not. I doubt there's anyone on the forum who doesn't consider Hamas terrorists.

They won't admit it, but its true.

If the war was to stop now, Hamas would survive. They must be terminated or imprisoned.

I've read enough of these kind of threads to know we have a bunch of left leaning Jew haters on the forum.

 

[gboisjo]

I've read enough of these kind of threads to know we have a bunch of left leaning Jew haters on the forum.

Hamas uses near identical tactics to the ones Israel used to gain their own independence.

Israel has killed more civilians in a single year than Hamas and Hezbollah have, combined, in their entire existence.

And no amount of cries about “terrorism” can change those realities.

And here's one of them right here, a Jew hater in bed with the terrorist.

You must be be beside yourself as Trump takes Israel's back.

 

[Tigerace117]

And here's one of them right here, a Jew hater in bed with the terrorist.

You must be be beside yourself as Trump takes Israel's back.

America’s support for Israeli war crimes is nothing new dude.

Hysterical cries about “terrorists” can’t change the fact nothing Hamas is doing is any different than what Israel did to gain their own independence.....and Israel is still doing just about everything they accuse Hamas of, including making mass use of human shields.

 

[gboisjo]

America’s support for Israeli war crimes is nothing new dude.

Hysterical cries about “terrorists” can’t change the fact nothing Hamas is doing is any different than what Israel did to gain their own independence.....and Israel is still doing just about everything they accuse Hamas of, including making mass use of human shields.

Just say it, Hamas and Hezbollah are freedom fighters, not terrorist.

The intended suicide bombing of buses loaded with children and civilians by Hamas is why they're terrorist.

Much like ISIS, its honorable to blow yourself up and kill 20 or 30 people. It'll get you into paradise with a bunch of goats and virgins just waiting.

Neither the US or Israel has ever participated in suicide bombings, they don't see suicide bombing as honorable.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Neither the US or Israel has ever participated in suicide bombings, they don't see suicide bombing as honorable.

But have they ever vandalized a Tesla?

 

[Tigerace117]

Just say it, Hamas and Hezbollah are freedom fighters, not terrorist.

The intended suicide bombing of buses loaded with children and civilians by Hamas is why they're terrorist.

Much like ISIS, its honorable to blow youself up and kill 20 or 30 people. It'll get you into paradise with a bunch of goats and virgins just waiting.

Neither the US or Israel has ever participated in suicide bombings, they don't see suicide bombing as honorable.

Israel routinely carried out bombings of civilian targets during its own independence war. Israeli death squads assassinated Folke Bernadotte, the UN mediator for the region, and a man who’d saved hundreds from Nazi death camps, because they feared his mediation would be accepted.

Israel’s behavior shows otherwise, as they honor the Lehi, who carried out numerous atrocities throughout the 1940s.

Both Hamas and Hezbollah are enemies of ISIS and have actively fought against the group extensively, especially Hezbollah, which makes invoking the group rather laughable.

 

[Mr Person]

I hope nobody is assauging a decision not to back Harris by telling themselves that she would greenlight the post-Trump-victory changes to Israel's current and future plans....

So israel attacking Gaza isn't really Israel attacking Gaza, they are attacking Hamas? Netan Yahoo is a war criminal.

They are attacking Hamas in Gaza. The problem is that their proportionality calculations were already close to non-existent and since Trump has greenlit Israel to do anything it damn pleases up to and including straight expulsion of every Palestinian, proportionality can't even pretend to be a thing.

But there is still a difference between attacking Hamas in Gaza and simply sending in every last soldier to round up Palestinians, take them to extermination camps, and try to kill every last one with banal mechanized mass murders.

In much the same way that a car whose axle snaps because the manufacturer never bothered to stress-test their design, sending the car into a tree, and killing you is fundamentally different from a car that has been designed to explode the moment it is more than 5 miles away from its origin lot and burn its passengers to death.

 

[markdc]

The families of hostages are rightfully infuriated. Their loved ones seem to be forgotten in the rush to ethnic cleansing.

I’m pretty sure Netanyahoo and his govt never gave a shit about those hostages, and he’s certainly not going to let them get in the way of his territorial and ethnic cleansing plans.

Yes, Hamas is evil. I’m all for killing for every one of its members, but the Israelis fostered the creation of that group to split the Palestinian resistance and ensure that they’ll never be a free and independent Palestinian state.

Mark

 

[gboisjo]

I’m pretty sure Netanyahoo and his govt never gave a shit about those hostages, and he’s certainly not going to let them get in the way of his territorial and ethnic cleansing plans.

Yes, Hamas is evil. I’m all for killing for every one of its members, but the Israelis fostered the creation of that group to split the Palestinian resistance and ensure that they’ll never be a free and independent Palestinian state.

Mark

From its inception, Hamas has chosen armed resistance in its efforts to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation.

Hamas is a home grown, voted for, terrorist group whose goal is to complexly destroy Israel by any means.

It has governed the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip since 2007. The Hamas movement was founded by Palestinian Islamic scholar Ahmed Yassin in 1987.

The boys throwing rocks at Israeli's are the future of Gaza, more hate filled terrorist in the making.

The worst thing that could happened to the Palestinians, happened, its Trump, he has zero sympathy for the killers and the people who hide them.

 

[Tigerace117]

From its inception, Hamas has chosen armed resistance in its efforts to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation.

Hamas is a home grown, voted for, terrorist group whose goal is to complexly destroy Israel by any means.

It has governed the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip since 2007. The Hamas movement was founded by Palestinian Islamic scholar Ahmed Yassin in 1987.

The boys throwing rocks at Israeli's are the future of Gaza, more hate filled terrorist in the making.

The worst thing that could happened to the Palestinians, happened, its Trump, he has zero sympathy for the killers and the people who hide them.

America’s proud support for the latest Israeli mass murder campaign makes the whining about “terrorism” throughly meaningless, yes.

 

[oneworld2]

No. It looks like Israel preempting further Hamas atrocities. Nothing to do with Trump's absurd
resort' notions.
It is to, say the least, doubtful if any hostages are still alive.

So you agree that Israel has the right to ethnically cleanse/genocide Gazans?

International law doesn't agree with that, so you need to make a choice or some choices about where you stand and why.

 

[oneworld2]

This looks like a move to start clearing out Gaza to make way for the resort development Trump and Netanyahu want.



The families of hostages are rightfully infuriated. Their loved ones seem to be forgotten in the rush to ethnic cleansing.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/middleeast/israel-expands-military-operations-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

I don't really see it as the start of the Trump Playground resort thing, i think that was an idea sold to Trump by Netanyahu that he has no real interest in pursuing, at least not as it was presented.

This is the start of getting people out of large swathes of the Strip in a bid to make it Israeli territory complete with illegal Israeli settlers at some point in the future.

The hostages were never much of a consideration imo and if people thought they were, they should look at what the Israeli state has done or not done to have them returned.

But the gravest tragedy is the ethnic cleansing/genocide of Gaza in full view of the world and the massive death and destruction that will take place beyond the immense horrors and crimes that have gone before.

 

[oneworld2]

Exactly, Hamas can't be allowed to rule Gaza.

You are behind the times, Hamas agreed to the Egyptian proposal which would have seen Gaza ruled over by a different group of people. It was the stated stand down of Hamas to all intents and purposes

Democrats see the Hamas terrorist as freedom fighters and is one of the reasons why Trump won.

Trump won because his base is made up of thick racist ****ers imo

 

[markdc]

From its inception, Hamas has chosen armed resistance in its efforts to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation.

Hamas is a home grown, voted for, terrorist group whose goal is to complexly destroy Israel by any means.

It has governed the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip since 2007. The Hamas movement was founded by Palestinian Islamic scholar Ahmed Yassin in 1987.

The boys throwing rocks at Israeli's are the future of Gaza, more hate filled terrorist in the making.

The worst thing that could happened to the Palestinians, happened, its Trump, he has zero sympathy for the killers and the people who hide them.

The actor Peter Ustinov once said, “Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich.” I like this quote, but I would reword it slightly to say this: “Terrorism is the war of the weak, and war is the terrorism of the strong.”

If you conquer and occupy land and treat the inhabitants like they are inferior subjects, they are going to resist, and if they can’t win on the battlefield, they will engage in forms of guerrilla warfare, of which terrorism is one tactic. Some of the resistance groups who fight against the occupiers may be good; often they are bad. As I’ve said before, I believe that Hamas is an evil death cult. But that doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s historic occupation of Gaza and the West Bank and its treatment of the Palestinians living there is unconscionable. (Even after the IDF handed over Gaza and parts of the West Bank to the Palestinians, they still possessed the power to cut off water and electricity as well as the inhabitants’ access to the sea.) The Vietnamese Communists were brutal Totalitarian savages, but the French and Americans still had no right to be in their country.

And despite what you may have heard, Israel is not only a nation that reveres terrorists, it was founded in part due to terrorism. Two Jewish groups, the Irgun and the Stern Gang, carried out terrorist attacks during the 1940’s when the British controlled what was then the League of Nations Mandate of Palestine. The worst of these was the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946. That bombing killed 91 people and wounded 46; I believe it was the worst terrorist attack in modern Israel history until Oct. 7, 2023. Irgun and Stern gang members also kidnapped, tortured, and executed British soldiers and assassinated British and U.N. officials. These terrorists were later treated as heroes in Israel, and Menachem Begin, the leader of Irgun, became prime minister in the 1970’s. And it’s worth noting that while they administered Mandatory Palestine, the British were FAR more humane to the Jews than the Jews have ever been to the Palestinians. Also, the British saved the lives of millions of Jews during World War II by being the only Allied power to continue the fight against Nazi Germany and thus was crucial to the American and Soviet efforts against Hitler. Also, the British created the Jewish Brigade in which thousands of Palestinians Jews served in the war and thus gained crucial military experience that they would use to defeat the Arab armies in the 1949-1949 war.



Mark

 

[oneworld2]

They most certainly do not. I doubt there's anyone on the forum who doesn't consider Hamas terrorists.

There are definitely some who cast the net for "terrorists" based on a objective analysis of actions taken by all the different factions, not some bigoted/biased view based on nothing but personal dislike.

If Hamas are terrorists, and I am okay with people thinking this, then so are the Israeli state leaderships and its military forces.

 

[oneworld2]

The actor Peter Ustinov once said, “Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich.” I like this quote, but I would reword it slightly to say this: “Terrorism is the war of the weak, and war is the terrorism of the strong.”

Which equates to both sides being terrorists and I think that's a fair reflection of the situation.

 

[oneworld2]

They are attacking Hamas in Gaza.

That is the pretext for ethnic cleansing and genocide and you peddle it dutifully.

If the plan was just to " attack Hamas" there would be no need to stop the means of life in the Strip like they have been doing, blocking food, water, fuel and meds, along with destroying the healthcare system, the education system, the food producing system etc etc

The problem is that their proportionality calculations were already close to non-existent and since Trump has greenlit Israel to do anything it damn pleases up to and including straight expulsion of every Palestinian, proportionality can't even pretend to be a thing.

Proportionality was dead LONG before Trump even came onto the scene . In fact proportionality was absent from Israeli thinking for years before 7th October.

But there is still a difference between attacking Hamas in Gaza and simply sending in every last soldier to round up Palestinians, take them to extermination camps, and try to kill every last one with banal mechanized mass murders.

It doesn't have to fit the Holocaust like a glove to be a genocide

In much the same way that a car whose axle snaps because the manufacturer never bothered to stress-test their design, sending the car into a tree, and killing you is fundamentally different from a car that has been designed to explode the moment it is more than 5 miles away from its origin lot and burn its passengers to death.

Just stop with the bs.

It's a genocide, the ICJ will deem it a genocide and you will forever be known as a genocide denier.

 

[Sweden]

So you agree that Israel has the right to ethnically cleanse/genocide Gazans?

International law doesn't agree with that, so you need to make a choice or some choices about where you stand and why.

Posts which begin "So you agree......" are best ignored as clumsy attempts to put words into others' mouths.