ISIS Weapons and where they come from.....

[Oozlefinch]

Why don't you be honest and admit that you saw " Libertarian Left " and felt compelled/duty driven to go on the offensive/disagree/ridicule...... you people are the crazies here and make no mistake

If you want to debate , grow some and actually talk about the contents of other peoples posts instead of relying on strawmen/projection/avoidance/innuendo

*laughs*

Actually, I did not even notice your political leanings, until I saw your conspiracy filled rant. I then glanced over at it, and understood where it call came from.

Wow, you really are paranoid, aren't you? Personally, I could not give a fig what your political beliefs are. But please, feel free to ask around.

You will find me standing alongside others who are "Libertarian" (both Left and Right), even against other "Conservatives" if they are making a good strong case and others are full of coprolite. You will sometimes even see me standing in here with Socialists and Far Lefties against other "Conservatives, if I think said "Conservatives" are full of crap and the "Leftists" make a good case.

But please, feel free to ask around, I am one of the least "Political" individuals in here. I simply care about honesty and accuracy.

So if you feel this strong need to attack me, you must have a problem with those values.

And once again, you drag out the "strawman" claim. Tell me, why is it that whenever somebody makes a point you can't respond to, most "Libertarians" drag out the "Strawman defense"? And it is really not a defense, it is just saying "It's a strawman, so I can ignore it". That is not a defense, it is really nothing but an admission that you in fact can not respond to it, so you are ignoring it.

Oh, and I guess I am glad I did not use my typical word for the brain-dead non-thinking-radical segment of your movement, and call you a "Loosertarian".

But hey, tell me again how the US and other countries are running the UN to make money for the MIC. Then you can tell us how ABC and XYZ are secretly running the RIAA.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Well, surely you can understand why having a well armed neighbor who lacks a sense of right and wrong would be worrisome, right?

No sense of right and wrong? Really? Where do you get that? My guns are locked in a safe, I have extensive training, LEO back ground and well practiced. Worrisome is the people that expect the police to be everywhere all the time.

 

[oneworld2]

*laughs*

Is that a nervous laugh ?

You will probably answer the above because it is about your level of debate

Actually, I did not even notice your political leanings, until I saw your conspiracy filled rant. I then glanced over at it, and understood where it call came from.

You would have a smidgeon of credibility had you have actually highlighted any " conspiracies " in that post. You didn't ,shock horror , which again brings us back to the level of debate you bring to the table.

Wow, you really are paranoid, aren't you? Personally, I could not give a fig what your political beliefs are. But please, feel free to ask around.

You will find me standing alongside others who are "Libertarian" (both Left and Right), even against other "Conservatives" if they are making a good strong case and others are full of coprolite. You will sometimes even see me standing in here with Socialists and Far Lefties against other "Conservatives, if I think said "Conservatives" are full of crap and the "Leftists" make a good case.

But please, feel free to ask around, I am one of the least "Political" individuals in here. I simply care about honesty and accuracy.

Spare me the party political broadcast on behalf of the Oozlefinch Party. Get over yourself and understand that it was your insane reading of what I wrote that has led to this exchange.

I don't hold out much hope because I don't think introspection will be a strong point of yours

And as for the part above that I have highlighted , the junk about you " caring about honesty and accuracy " , how do you expect to be taken seriously when you inaccurately addressed my post and then dishonestly attacked me via your own inaccuracy ? LOL

I have already referred you to the fact that I never claimed ISIS bought their weaponry from the countries of origin twice before . I even highlighted it in the latest post and STILL you refuse to address it

So if you feel this strong need to attack me, you must have a problem with those values.

No strong feelings here at all . Just a poster who is prepared to stand up to those who misrepresent their posts in order to try to ridicule them. That's what happened and that's why we are where we are. See above , the silence is deafening.

And once again, you drag out the "strawman" claim. Tell me, why is it that whenever somebody makes a point you can't respond to, most "Libertarians" drag out the "Strawman defense"? And it is really not a defense, it is just saying "It's a strawman, so I can ignore it". That is not a defense, it is really nothing but an admission that you in fact can not respond to it, so you are ignoring it.

The strawman claim is valid. I have asked you twice already to address the fact that you attacked me about a claim I hadn't made. And you haven't made any points to respond to. I asked you to show what " CTs " where present in my post and you are the one ignoring the challenge. It's just more of that projection you appear to like to indulge in

Oh, and I guess I am glad I did not use my typical word for the brain-dead non-thinking-radical segment of your movement, and call you a "Loosertarian".

Anyone who starts with " Oh, and " is a pretentious ****er imo. Call me what you like , it's water off a duck's back . But I suppose innuendo and childish name calling is actually easier for you than debate. That's what I've discovered so far from our exchanges

But hey, tell me again how the US and other countries are running the UN to make money for the MIC. Then you can tell us how ABC and XYZ are secretly running the RIAA.

I'll do a deal with you. You respond to my point about your misrepresentation of my post and the fact that that misrepresentation was used as an attempt to ridicule and I'll answer the above.

IE Show me where I claimed or even inferred that ISIS bought their weapons from the country of origin in the post you jumped in on to ridicule and show what " conspiracy theories " it expounded............. should be easy enough for you to do , don't you think ?

Asking your own questions whilst avoiding those previously asked of yourself is avoidance coupled with temerity. Just try and debate

 

[Mycroft]

Here's the latest method ISIS has found to get American weapons:

ISIS Video: America

 

[Oozlefinch]

Here's the latest method ISIS has found to get American weapons:

ISIS Video: America

And what are these "weapons"?

Well, what I see looking at the video is a big pile of crap.

First, is the footlocker full of "grenades". Yea, M2 "Pineapple" training grenades, that date to WWII. These things are nothing, empty training shells that anybody can buy at your local surplus store for $5. At the 50 second mark we even get a good look at them, the bottoms obviously drilled out, showing that there is no explosives in them. And no fuses either.

Then at the 1 minute mark, we have a wood case that appears to have 3 81mm trainer rounds. Once again, nothing dangerous, and available at just about any surplus store.

And you can tell these are training rounds by how they are packaged. They are not in individual protective tubes, but wrapped in plastic. Why would the US be dropping training weapons into a war zone?

Finally, the last item, at around 1:30. A case of 15 M-26 hand grenades.

Now this is really interesting. The M-26 grenade was last produced in the late 1960's, and was obsolete in the early 1970's, replaced by the M33 "baseball" grenade. Which means that if these are real, they are over 40 years old.

Now here is the question, are these 15 grenades real?

In a word, no, they are not.

At the 1:39 mark of this video, pause it and take a good look at the grenade he is holding in his hand. Then look at the photo above of what a real M26 would look like fresh from the cardboard packing tube. How many others can spot the difference?

No safety wire!

Yes, I have handled the M26. My unit in 1986 found 5 cases of them forgotten in the back of our bunker and the decision was made to try to expend them in a training exercise as opposed to simply having them destroyed. And I was the ordinance driver for my unit, so I was tasked with pulling them from the bunker (along with a lot of other ordinance that was from the early 1970's) and driving them to Camp Pendleton to use. And like all grenades I had ever seen, these had safety clips.

The one in the video does not have a safety clip. Therefore it is not real, it is a training grenade.

But let's dig in a little more, shall we? The yellow tape around the cardboard shipping tube. The US stopped using that around the time the M26 was used, replacing it with a black-green tape that was not as obvious. So the yellow tape is out of place, big time. Not only that, the tape contained information about who packed it, where, and when. This tape has nothing on it. 2 more big problems with this story.

And finally, notice how he "seems" to pick one of the grenades out at random. Now pause the video and look into the box. See anything that catches your eye?

None of the other tubes have yellow tape!

No, this is simply a bogus propaganda video. I see absolutely nothing that is a "real weapon", unless you are going to use it to hit somebody in the head with. Some practice mortar rounds, and some practice grenades. I bet they simply threw together a random lot of "US Military Equipment", and staged this to make it look like they had been "given US equipment" by the US itself.

Complete crap.

Added: And as an FYI, remember that in 1986 I drove 5 cases of M26 grenades to Camp Pendleton to use. These were around 18 years old at that time, and the training was almost a complete bust. They were so old, that at least 1/3 of them were duds. When the 4th one we tried to use did not explode we followed range procedure and called out EOD. They actually laughed that we had such old grenades, and hung out there as we had dud after dud. At the end of the training they had a pile of these duds in the center of the grenade range, then entertained us all by exploding all 20 or so of them with a small charge of C4. One hell of a boom, I tell ya! This was over 25 years ago, so imagine what the failure rate would be on these even if they were real.

 

[MMC]

And what are these "weapons"?

Well, what I see looking at the video is a big pile of crap.

First, is the footlocker full of "grenades". Yea, M2 "Pineapple" training grenades, that date to WWII. These things are nothing, empty training shells that anybody can buy at your local surplus store for $5. At the 50 second mark we even get a good look at them, the bottoms obviously drilled out, showing that there is no explosives in them. And no fuses either.

Then at the 1 minute mark, we have a wood case that appears to have 3 81mm trainer rounds. Once again, nothing dangerous, and available at just about any surplus store.

And you can tell these are training rounds by how they are packaged. They are not in individual protective tubes, but wrapped in plastic. Why would the US be dropping training weapons into a war zone?

Finally, the last item, at around 1:30. A case of 15 M-26 hand grenades.

Now this is really interesting. The M-26 grenade was last produced in the late 1960's, and was obsolete in the early 1970's, replaced by the M33 "baseball" grenade. Which means that if these are real, they are over 40 years old.

Now here is the question, are these 15 grenades real?

In a word, no, they are not.

At the 1:39 mark of this video, pause it and take a good look at the grenade he is holding in his hand. Then look at the photo above of what a real M26 would look like fresh from the cardboard packing tube. How many others can spot the difference?

No safety wire!

Yes, I have handled the M26. My unit in 1986 found 2 cases of them forgotten in the back of our bunker and the decision was made to try to expend them in a training exercise as opposed to simply having them destroyed. And I was the ordinance driver for my unit, so I was tasked with pulling them from the bunker (along with a lot of other ordinance that was from the early 1970's) and driving them to Camp Pendleton to use. And like all grenades I had ever seen, these had safety clips.

The one in the video does not have a safety clip. Therefore it is not real, it is a training grenade.

But let's dig in a little more, shall we? The yellow tape around the cardboard shipping tube. The US stopped using that around the time the M26 was used, replacing it with a black-green tape that was not as obvious. So the yellow tape is out of place, big time. Not only that, the tape contained information about who packed it, where, and when. This tape has nothing on it. 2 more big problems with this story.

And finally, notice how he "seems" to pick one of the grenades out at random. Now pause the video and look into the box. See anything that catches your eye?

None of the other tubes have yellow tape!

No, this is simply a bogus propaganda video. I see absolutely nothing that is a "real weapon", unless you are going to use it to hit somebody in the head with. Some practice mortar rounds, and some practice grenades. I bet they simply threw together a random lot of "US Military Equipment", and staged this to make it look like they had been "given US equipment" by the US itself.

Complete crap.

ISIS fighters seize weapons airdrop meant for Kurds.....

The cache of weapons included hand grenades, ammunition and rocket-propelled grenade launchers, according to a video uploaded by a media group loyal to ISIS, the agency said. The video appeared authentic and corresponded to The Associated Press' reporting of the event.

On Tuesday, ISIS loyalists on social media posted sarcastic thank you notes to the United States, including one image that said, “Team USA.”

But the badly-aimed weapons drop was more an embarrassment than a great strategic loss. The ISIS militants already possess millions of dollars-worth of U.S. weaponry that they captured from fleeing Iraqi soldiers when the group seized swaths of Iraq in a sudden sweep in June.....snip~

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rs-seize-weapons-airdrop-meant-for-Kurds.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/207523-isis-launches-multiple-attacks.html

 

[Oozlefinch]

ISIS fighters seize weapons airdrop meant for Kurds.....

The cache of weapons included hand grenades, ammunition and rocket-propelled grenade launchers, according to a video uploaded by a media group loyal to ISIS, the agency said. The video appeared authentic and corresponded to The Associated Press' reporting of the event.

On Tuesday, ISIS loyalists on social media posted sarcastic thank you notes to the United States, including one image that said, “Team USA.”

But the badly-aimed weapons drop was more an embarrassment than a great strategic loss. The ISIS militants already possess millions of dollars-worth of U.S. weaponry that they captured from fleeing Iraqi soldiers when the group seized swaths of Iraq in a sudden sweep in June.....snip~

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...rs-seize-weapons-airdrop-meant-for-Kurds.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/207523-isis-launches-multiple-attacks.html

And look at my breakdown of the "grenades" we were shown. Nothing but training grenades.

And sorry, if those are real "rocket rounds", then I am going to laugh myself sick.

You see, the US does not use a rocket round anywhere even close to those in the video. They are much more in keeping with an 81mm mortar round (which to the uninformed, a mortar round does indeed look like a rocket). However, we now have some serious issues.

First of all, ammunition like this is very susceptible to static electricity. And these things are packaged in plastic! What kind of moron delivers real ordinance covered in saran wrap? Well, the answer is obvious, nobody. They are shipped in hard plastic or cardboard tubes. Each round in it's own tube inside of the box.

Now let's examone this again for a moment. The US really only uses 2 reloadable missile systems. The SMAW (USMC only), and the TOW.

This is a SMAW round:

Nope, that round shown looks nothing like that, so we know it is not a SMAW round. How about a TOW round?

Nope, not TOW either.

RPG-7?

Nope, still wrong. The more I look at the "rockets" shown in that video, the more I am convinced it is simply an 81mm mortar training round. Nobody ships real rockets the way that one was done, and it's size and shape is much more in keeping with a mortar round then a rocket.

I do not care what they are claiming, the reality is that the video is a lie.

 

[MMC]

And look at my breakdown of the "grenades" we were shown. Nothing but training grenades.

And sorry, if those are real "rocket rounds", then I am going to laugh myself sick.

You see, the US does not use a rocket round anywhere even close to those in the video. They are much more in keeping with an 81mm mortar round (which to the uninformed, a mortar round does indeed look like a rocket). However, we now have some serious issues.

First of all, ammunition like this is very susceptible to static electricity. And these things are packaged in plastic! What kind of moron delivers real ordinance covered in saran wrap? Well, the answer is obvious, nobody. They are shipped in hard plastic or cardboard tubes. Each round in it's own tube inside of the box.

Now let's examone this again for a moment. The US really only uses 2 reloadable missile systems. The SMAW (USMC only), and the TOW.

This is a SMAW round:

Nope, that round shown looks nothing like that, so we know it is not a SMAW round. How about a TOW round?

Nope, not TOW either.

RPG-7?

Nope, still wrong. The more I look at the "rockets" shown in that video, the more I am convinced it is simply an 81mm mortar training round. Nobody ships real rockets the way that one was done, and it's size and shape is much more in keeping with a mortar round then a rocket.

I do not care what they are claiming, the reality is that the video is a lie.

My point is.....if that's what we are dropping to the Kurds. They're in trouble.

 

[Oozlefinch]

My point is.....if that's what we are dropping to the Kurds. They're in trouble.

Honestly, I do not think that was dropped to the Kurds. I think they collected up a bunch of training materials that had been given to Iraq for training it's own personnel, and assembled it together to fake a propaganda video. And that they themselves had no clue as to what they were actually handling, and rely upon those that see this video being even more ignorant then they are.

Come on, WWII era training grenades? Vietnam era training grenades? 81mm mortar training rounds passed off as "rockets"? What a fracking joke. Nobody who has severed in the Army or Marines should be fooled for a moment, and if the AP thinks this confirms the story, it simply goes to show that they are a bunch of morons.

Here, I wanna play a little game. This is for those that really have no idea what these things look like outside of video games and movies. I am going to call this game "Can you spot the rocket?".

Now one of these pictures is of a rocket, the others are not. Can you pick the rocket?

So can anybody pick out which of the above is a rocket, and which is not? Because only one of those above photographs is of a missile/rocket.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Also, here is one final remark on the authenticity of this video.

I worked on an Air Force Base in theatre for over a year. I had spent time with the air drop personnel, I have ridden in a C-130 doing air drops, and I have seen the pallets awaiting on the flight line to be delivered a great many times.

And never had I seen such a sloppy-assed pallet as that seen in the video!

Civilian water box used as a cover? No kind of pallet or base whatsoever? Absolutely no strapping of any kind over the top of the pallet? Packed so loosely that when it lands it is bent way out of shape?

And come on, freaking Baggage Identification tags on the outside?

Pause the video at around the 26 second mark and look at the side, see what I see?

Yea, I got some of these myself. We get them and get our names embroidered on them so we can quickly pick our dufflebags out from the hundreds of identical dufflebags when we get off of the plane. They sell these by the hundreds at every military base, to those of us that are traveling. But I have never heard of the Air Force attaching them to pallets that they are going to air drop!

Sorry, the more I analyze this video, the more I realize it is a great big steaming pile of crap, that can only fool completely stupid brain dead civilians.

 

[MMC]

Honestly, I do not think that was dropped to the Kurds. I think they collected up a bunch of training materials that had been given to Iraq for training it's own personnel, and assembled it together to fake a propaganda video. And that they themselves had no clue as to what they were actually handling, and rely upon those that see this video being even more ignorant then they are.

Come on, WWII era training grenades? Vietnam era training grenades? 81mm mortar training rounds passed off as "rockets"? What a fracking joke. Nobody who has severed in the Army or Marines should be fooled for a moment, and if the AP thinks this confirms the story, it simply goes to show that they are a bunch of morons.

Here, I wanna play a little game. This is for those that really have no idea what these things look like outside of video games and movies. I am going to call this game "Can you spot the rocket?".

Now one of these pictures is of a rocket, the others are not. Can you pick the rocket?

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So can anybody pick out which of the above is a rocket, and which is not? Because only one of those above photographs is of a missile/rocket.

The Dart separating from its Sabot.

 

[Oozlefinch]

The Dart separating from its Sabot.

Good eye. And also not a rocket or missile, the illusion of "propulsion" at the back is simply the effect of friction. But this is fired just like any gun round, no propulsion at all.

But how many others in here would see that and automatically assume it must be a missile or rocket?

 

[Fallenangel]

RPG-7?

Nope, still wrong. The more I look at the "rockets" shown in that video, the more I am convinced it is simply an 81mm mortar training round. Nobody ships real rockets the way that one was done, and it's size and shape is much more in keeping with a mortar round then a rocket.

I do not care what they are claiming, the reality is that the video is a lie.

Why do you think that they aren't RPG shots?

Fallen.

 

[Mycroft]

LOL!!

I didn't say the US was giving ISIS "useful" weapons.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Why do you think that they aren't RPG shots?

Fallen.

Actually, I have been doing some more research, and discovered something rather interesting.

And I have never been one to fail to admit that I am so fixed in stating something, even if wrong.

These do appear to be RPG-7 rounds.

However, RPG-7 rounds form the US?

One of the major sources of ammunition of ISIS has been Egypt. During the revolution there a couple of years ago, large amounts of ordinance disappeared. And many question if it is still going on. But one thing that is known is that from the beginning of the conflict in Syria, large numbers of Egyptian made PG-7 rounds have been seen in that conflict.

Rounds that interestingly enough are actually shipped in a plastic covering.

Of course, one of the largest purchasers of Egyptian made PG-7 rounds was Syria. And large numbers of these have been captured in Syria during the ongoing civil war there.

And the size of the warhead of the PG-7? 84mm. 3mm larger then that of an 81mm mortar round.

So yes, it does appear that these are RPG rounds. So the question still has to be asked, why would the US be sending Egyptian PG-7 rounds to the Kurds? And why packed in such a way, with cases of dummy grenades?

Sorry, still stinks of a propaganda plant. Far to many things just do not add up.

For example, why red bandoliers?

 

[Fallenangel]

Actually, I have been doing some more research, and discovered something rather interesting.

And I have never been one to fail to admit that I am so fixed in stating something, even if wrong.

These do appear to be RPG-7 rounds.

However, RPG-7 rounds form the US?

One of the major sources of ammunition of ISIS has been Egypt. During the revolution there a couple of years ago, large amounts of ordinance disappeared. And many question if it is still going on. But one thing that is known is that from the beginning of the conflict in Syria, large numbers of Egyptian made PG-7 rounds have been seen in that conflict.

Rounds that interestingly enough are actually shipped in a plastic covering.

Of course, one of the largest purchasers of Egyptian made PG-7 rounds was Syria. And large numbers of these have been captured in Syria during the ongoing civil war there.

And the size of the warhead of the PG-7? 84mm. 3mm larger then that of an 81mm mortar round.

So yes, it does appear that these are RPG rounds. So the question still has to be asked, why would the US be sending Egyptian PG-7 rounds to the Kurds? And why packed in such a way, with cases of dummy grenades?

Sorry, still stinks of a propaganda plant. Far to many things just do not add up.

For example, why red bandoliers?

I don't know the origin of these crates, as I couldn't Identify any kind of markings on them, but shipping RPG rounds in plastic is kinda standard imo.









What kinds of weapons the Kurds are fighting with? If they have RPGs it makes sense to send them RPG rounds.
It might be the case that the shipment wasn't strictly from the US, but was also gathered and/or sent by one of its' allies in the region, hence the old stuff.

But of course it may be simply a propaganda trick as well.

PS. What do you mean by "red bandoliers"?

Fallen.

 

[tuhaybey]

No sense of right and wrong? Really? Where do you get that? My guns are locked in a safe, I have extensive training, LEO back ground and well practiced. Worrisome is the people that expect the police to be everywhere all the time.

Are you kidding me? You flat out said that you'd kill your neighbor's kids in some kind of paranoid freakout.

 

[Oozlefinch]

PS. What do you mean by "red bandoliers"?

Fallen.

The bandoliers are the red tubes.

Red bandoliers?

A footlocker of training grenades without fuses?

This one I love, the worst packing job for an air drop by the US Air Force, ever.

Now this is what a real "airdrop pallet" looks like.

And feel free to look at others. Notice the webbing goes securely over the top of the package to be delivered. Notice how tightly everything is tied up, so nothing will shift. Notice the pallet at the bottom, designed to absorb the impact to protect the cargo.

Now look at the packing job for this "pallet". Straps are just all at the top fastened together like it was a bundle, not holding it securely. In reality this cargo would have spilled all over the countryside long before it reached the ground. And absolutely no kind of impact absorbing base at all.

And I have never ever ever heard of the Air Force putting luggage identification tags on the outside of an airdrop cargo. What is the point? Makes no sense.

And what I find more and more amazing is how many "news agencies" running with this story. I wonder if any of them thought to ask somebody who had been in the military if this makes sense, and if what they are told (and repeating) is the same as what we see in the video. Drilled out grenade bodies from WWII, Vietnam era "grenades" with no safety clip, only one in the box with the strange "yellow tape". An "airdrop pallet" that looks absolutely nothing like the hundreds of images available on the most basic google image search.

This is the training M26. The only one in the box with a yellow tape sealing it.

I do not think I have seen such a silly "airdrop" since I saw that Disney movie about dropping an elephant.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Are you kidding me? You flat out said that you'd kill your neighbor's kids in some kind of paranoid freakout.

Care to quote that?

 

[Fallenangel]

The bandoliers are the red tubes.

Red bandoliers?

The red things are imo just RPG round booster charges, just in some weird red wrapping paper, we use a beige colored one - see at the boxes I posted earlier.

A footlocker of training grenades without fuses?

This one I love, the worst packing job for an air drop by the US Air Force, ever.

Now this is what a real "airdrop pallet" looks like.

And feel free to look at others. Notice the webbing goes securely over the top of the package to be delivered. Notice how tightly everything is tied up, so nothing will shift. Notice the pallet at the bottom, designed to absorb the impact to protect the cargo.

Now look at the packing job for this "pallet". Straps are just all at the top fastened together like it was a bundle, not holding it securely. In reality this cargo would have spilled all over the countryside long before it reached the ground. And absolutely no kind of impact absorbing base at all.

And I have never ever ever heard of the Air Force putting luggage identification tags on the outside of an airdrop cargo. What is the point? Makes no sense.

And what I find more and more amazing is how many "news agencies" running with this story. I wonder if any of them thought to ask somebody who had been in the military if this makes sense, and if what they are told (and repeating) is the same as what we see in the video. Drilled out grenade bodies from WWII, Vietnam era "grenades" with no safety clip, only one in the box with the strange "yellow tape". An "airdrop pallet" that looks absolutely nothing like the hundreds of images available on the most basic google image search.

This is the training M26. The only one in the box with a yellow tape sealing it.

I do not think I have seen such a silly "airdrop" since I saw that Disney movie about dropping an elephant.

I had to remove one of your pics due to DP's limit on images, sorry.


I still think it could be an air-drop, just not a US one, but one that may be originated in another country "friendly to the Kurds", it is also quite possible that ISIS is showing their own air-drop supplies as captured ones, it can be of course fake as well.

The thing it you can see some-kind of absorption material at the bottom, and though the packaging indeed looks very thin - it might be simply the case that ISIS captured some supplies "aid air-drop" that was supposed to be delivered to the Kurds, (or their showing their own).
To improve the propaganda impact they then brought some ammo crates that they already had and showed them as supposedly originating from the air-drop - hence the weird assortment of a grenades.

Regarding the media, well it's nothing new, the same goes regarding pretty much every conflict that they cover, and I'm not even mentioning the numerous and all knowing internet "bloggers" and "twitter experts".


Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[Oozlefinch]

The red things are imo just RPG round booster charges, just in some weird red wrapping paper, we use a beige colored one - see at the boxes I posted earlier.

I still think it could be an air-drop, just not a US one, but one that may be originated in another country "friendly to the Kurds", it is also quite possible that ISIS is showing their own air-drop supplies as captured ones, it can be of course fake as well.

The thing it you can see some-kind of absorption material at the bottom, and though the packaging indeed looks very thin - it might be simply the case that ISIS captured some supplies "aid air-drop" that was supposed to be delivered to the Kurds, (or their showing their own).
To improve the propaganda impact they then brought some ammo crates that they already had and showed them as supposedly originating from the air-drop - hence the weird assortment of a grenades.

Regarding the media, well it's nothing new, the same goes regarding pretty much every conflict that they cover, and I'm not even mentioning the numerous and all knowing internet "bloggers" and "twitter experts".


Cheers,
Fallen.

Thanks, am not a real expert on how RPGs are packaged.

But no, that "package" was not airdropped. And certainly not airdropped by the US.

Among many things, I was trained and certified in how to prepare packages for air transport and even being airdropped. The webbing goes all the way over the top. It completely encases the package, and is tight. And I mean tight. This is done to prevent the load from shifting, and to keep it all contained. And that is the first thing that struck me about that "package". And while we normally used metal pallets, we could also use a special cardboard that was designed to compress and absorb the impact. But there was always some kind of base.

Now this is one of the first shots we see of this. Notice, no base at all. And look how loose and sloppy it is, it should still be a tight straight bundle, so why is it all loose?

WTF? I am sorry, that is not how the military (or anybody) prepares an airdrop for shipment. No wonder it is all loose, it is not secured at all on the top. If this had really been thrown out of an airplane, it more then likely would have burst open and had cargo spilling all over the countryside.

In fact, where is the Parachute Release System? Where are the Cargo Slings? Cargo parachutes are connected to slings that then are connected to the base of the load. They are not just attached to the webbing used to hold the cargo in place. But they are in this one. And instead of packed tight as it should be, the cargo is rather haphazardly thrown together.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/4-20-102/fm4-20-102.pdf

Not at all in keeping with how it is done "by the book". And remember, the US has been doing this since before WWII, ISIS has never done it.

Sorry, this is about as real as the "Red Bull Airdrop" marketing campaign from a couple of years ago.

I wish we had a rigger in here to give their impression of the rigging job done on this "cargo".

 

[tuhaybey]

Care to quote that?

Sure. I said:

. . . Your neighbor's kid is far more likely to be killed by you when he is sneaking out at night because you think he is a burglar than he is to be killed by ISIS. . .

To which you responded:

. . . my neighbors kids need to stay off my property in the middle of the night.
Defense of my home and family trumps all worries about my neighbors.

 

[MMC]

Thanks, am not a real expert on how RPGs are packaged.

But no, that "package" was not airdropped. And certainly not airdropped by the US.

Among many things, I was trained and certified in how to prepare packages for air transport and even being airdropped. The webbing goes all the way over the top. It completely encases the package, and is tight. And I mean tight. This is done to prevent the load from shifting, and to keep it all contained. And that is the first thing that struck me about that "package". And while we normally used metal pallets, we could also use a special cardboard that was designed to compress and absorb the impact. But there was always some kind of base.


I wish we had a rigger in here to give their impression of the rigging job done on this "cargo".

Heya OF. :2wave: check this out.

Last month, with the rise of ISIS in mind, Congress approved the president's plan to to train and arm the Syrian rebels. There was some familiar dissent at the time. "How will we ensure that the United States weapons we are providing to Syrian rebels will not get into the wrong hands, as they did with the rebels we supported in Libya?" Representative Barbara Lee asked.

On the same day as that vote, Islamic State fighters first encircled Kobani, a Syrian town near the Turkish border, attacking the largely Kurdish town and inspiring vigorous American airstrikes. On Monday, hoping to decisively turn the tide in the battle, the United States airdropped weapons to the Syrian Kurds of Kobani. By way of explanation, especially to a skeptical Turkish audience, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry offered that not aiding the Kurds in their fight against ISIS is both "irresponsible" and "morally very difficult."

Unfortunately, with that one airdrop, the weight of the American dread about where its weapons might go also landed. According to the Associated Press, some of the weapons meant to reach the Kurds ended up in Islamic State hands instead.....snip~

More American Weapons for ISIS

 

[humbolt]

The red things are imo just RPG round booster charges, just in some weird red wrapping paper, we use a beige colored one - see at the boxes I posted earlier.








I had to remove one of your pics due to DP's limit on images, sorry.


I still think it could be an air-drop, just not a US one, but one that may be originated in another country "friendly to the Kurds", it is also quite possible that ISIS is showing their own air-drop supplies as captured ones, it can be of course fake as well.

The thing it you can see some-kind of absorption material at the bottom, and though the packaging indeed looks very thin - it might be simply the case that ISIS captured some supplies "aid air-drop" that was supposed to be delivered to the Kurds, (or their showing their own).
To improve the propaganda impact they then brought some ammo crates that they already had and showed them as supposedly originating from the air-drop - hence the weird assortment of a grenades.

Regarding the media, well it's nothing new, the same goes regarding pretty much every conflict that they cover, and I'm not even mentioning the numerous and all knowing internet "bloggers" and "twitter experts".


Cheers,
Fallen.

I saw the bit on the grenades on the news. My reaction was the same. WTF would anyone in combat do with those? Those grenades were more likely captured from the Iraqis at some base where training was conducted - not air-dropped into a combat zone.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Heya OF. :2wave: check this out.

Notice, I have not said that ISIS has not gotten weapons given by the US to the Syrian rebels, nor that airdrops have not gone astray and ended up in the hands of ISIS.

Simply that this obvious propaganda video is not an example of such. While it may have well happened, just that this video is a propaganda plant and fake.

I saw the bit on the grenades on the news. My reaction was the same. WTF would anyone in combat do with those? Those grenades were more likely captured from the Iraqis at some base where training was conducted - not air-dropped into a combat zone.

Considering that the airdrop in the video is a fake, and that all of the weapons shown except for the RPGs is fake, this to me simply seems to be a plant of real weapons inside of a bunch of fake ones to make it look more real.

What amazes me is that I have now seen lots of reports on these "weapons". And not a single one of these reports discusses the 3 obvious issues that I spotted within moments:

1. The footlocker of "hand grenades" seen at the start of the video are fake.
2. The grenade pulled out of a packing tube is also fake, a 40 year old training grenade with yellow tape that none of the others have, and no safety wire.
3. The "airdrop" is incorrectly rigged, and was in no way prepared and dropped from an aircraft.

This to me screams at the incompetence of pretty much all of the "News sources", because they are using this video and going on and on about "US giving weapons to ISIS", and completely ignoring the fact that this is a propaganda plant. This places all of their credibility in doubt in my mind. The fact that not a single report I have found yet questions this giant discrepancies screams to me that they want to believe it.