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ISIS Has Brought the War to the U.S.

DA60 said:
BTW, when I said 'Neocon Nonsense' - I was referring to Neocons in general, not you in particular.

I find you refreshingly calm - even if I often disagree with you.

I wish more posters were like you on here.
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Fair enough.
 
Jack Hays said:
Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

The desired outcome would have been to seize the opportunity for an easy victory in early 2012.
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Only with Turkey and Saudi. They could then stay after it was done.
 
JANFU said:
Only with Turkey and Saudi. They could then stay after it was done.
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Actually not necessary. The opposition had momentum and Assad was reeling in early 2012. All they needed was weapons; they were eager to fight and Assad was losing a battalion per day in defections.
 
Jack Hays said:
Actually not necessary. The opposition had momentum and Assad was reeling in early 2012. All they needed was weapons; they were eager to fight and Assad was losing a battalion per day in defections.
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Yes, as Russia would have stepped in. Turkey could have made it to the coast, closing ports and airports. Game, set & match
 
JANFU said:
Yes, as Russia would have stepped in. Turkey could have made it to the coast, closing ports and airports. Game, set & match
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I doubt the Russian logistics/deployment cycle could have kept up, but I understand your point.
 
Jack Hays said:
Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

The desired outcome would have been to seize the opportunity for an easy victory in early 2012.
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Which wasn't done, unfortunately! Yet we spent months on the Iran deal! :shock: Doesn't compute....
 
DA60 said:
Neocon nonsense.

Two whackos pledge their allegiance to ISIS and suddenly it's WAR.

Look, if you bomb/overthrow/invade country after country - and leave more of a mess then when you arrived - eventually whackos in America are going to use that as an excuse for violence.


There is no war as there has been no official declaration by Congress. And ISIL has no Air Force or navy to speak of so they have ZERO chance at threatening American sovereignty. ISIL is as much a threat to America as Monaco...virtually none at all.

All there is is America - yet again - acting like neocon morons on crack and choosing sides in a civil war that is none of her business...and making things FAR worse.
This is just a desperate attempt to keep the 'war in terror' going until the Military Industrial Complex can find a bigger target to focus on.

Leave the Syrian Clvil War to Syria and stop meddling where America has no business. That is the solution. Not more 'wars' with smaller and smaller sized enemies that do nothing but cost lives, spend money America does not have and make everything worse.
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ISIS is a rhetorical device to keep people afraid, to keep that GWOT train chugging along the tracks. And it works, as demonstrated here, today's Bogey Man.
 
Jack Hays said:
I hope this ends the silly idea that we can simply withdraw from the Long War. It's here.

San Bernardino Attacker Pledged ISIS Allegiance
Michael Schmidt, New York Times

WASHINGTON — The woman who, with her husband, killed 14 people in San Bernardino pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook post the day of the attack, officials said Friday, and the F.B.I. announced it was treating the massacre as an act of terrorism.

“The investigation so far has developed indications of radicalization by the killers, and of potential inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations,” the F.B.I. director, James Comey, said at a news conference here. But, he said: “so far we have no indication that these killers are part of an organized larger group, or form part of a cell. There’s no indication that they are part of a network.”


On ISIS, Barack Obama Is Baghdad Bob
Sean Davis, The Federalist

“ISIS is contained” is the new “American tanks are not in Baghdad” of 2015.

In the throes of a tight re-election campaign in October of 2012, President Barack Obama declared that al Qaeda was “on the run.” In one sense, he was right: al Qaeda was running into the arms of ISIS, which was running wild in the Middle East. But his intended implication–that his policies had routed the terrorists, rendered them incapable of hurting Americans, and as a result made America safer from the threat of terrorist attack–was demonstrably false.
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We have larger wars going on the streets of our cities every day and have had them for many years now so I would not get too worked up over the occasional amateurs displaying their special form of dysfunction. Yes they should not be ignored but let's not blow their threat out of proportion to their actual threat.
 
Casper said:
We have larger wars going on the streets of our cities every day and have had them for many years now so I would not get too worked up over the occasional amateurs displaying their special form of dysfunction. Yes they should not be ignored but let's not blow their threat out of proportion to their actual threat.
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Thank you, Neville Chamberlain.
 
Jack Hays said:
We can walk and chew gum simultaneously. The existence of one problem is not an excuse to ignore another.
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Please point out where I said we should ignore anything, I'll wait, or not................
 
We bomb them on a daily basis for 14 years straight and then stand around befuddled when they strike back.

The mind boggles.
 
Jack Hays said:
Afghanistan? Not the home of ISIS.
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But what are ISIS? Young punks who thought Al Quaeda was too soft against the infidels and who draw on what we do/have done in A-stan for inspiration and recruitment.

You can't just ignore Afghanistan because it is inconvenient to your attempt to prove me wrong over a detail. It is very much relevant. I can even take you back to 1918 for relevance if you like.
 
Mark F said:
But what are ISIS? Young punks who thought Al Quaeda was too soft against the infidels and who draw on what we do/have done in A-stan for inspiration and recruitment.

You can't just ignore Afghanistan because it is inconvenient to your attempt to prove me wrong over a detail. It is very much relevant. I can even take you back to 1918 for relevance if you like.
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I wasn't trying to prove you wrong at all. Just correcting the record. I actually am in agreement with you. Your argument makes nonsense of the BHO administration's "law enforcement" model of counter terrorism. I believe warfare is the more appropriate paradigm.
 
Jack Hays said:
Your #436: "Ignore the Elephant in the room while you focus on that mouse."
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I'll make an exception this time, I thought you were keeping up, The Elephant is the war that has been going on in the streets of the USA for decades, how many die of violence every day here, the mouse is the threat of ISIS or terrorists in general. I am all for doing everything we can within the Constitution and Bill of Rights to fight terror threats, but at the same time we face many other dangers that are far more likely to effect you or yours than the random terrorists attack. Do not put the mouse at the same level as the elephant unless it has become the same threat. Want to exchange Points of View, use more logic, just a suggestion. Have an Excellent Weekend. Casper
 
Casper said:
I'll make an exception this time, I thought you were keeping up, The Elephant is the war that has been going on in the streets of the USA for decades, how many die of violence every day here, the mouse is the threat of ISIS or terrorists in general. I am all for doing everything we can within the Constitution and Bill of Rights to fight terror threats, but at the same time we face many other dangers that are far more likely to effect you or yours than the random terrorists attack. Do not put the mouse at the same level as the elephant unless it has become the same threat. Want to exchange Points of View, use more logic, just a suggestion. Have an Excellent Weekend. Casper
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Thank you for conceding my point. Too bad I had to call you on a false claim to compel that.
 
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