ISIS And Mohammad

[stevecanuck]

Nothing defines itself.

The Qur'an exists for the sole purpose of defining Islam.

HUMANS do the defining.

In the case of Islam, ONE human did all the defining. Every word (so they believe) in the Qur'an came out of Mohamed's mouth. ISIS does not define Islam - it follows Islam.

Some Muslims define Islam as murderous; these people have been shown to have a poor knowledge of Islam.

Really? Gee thanks for throwing the blanket over that particular problem. Anything else you can completely clear up for us in one swell foop?????

Other Muslims live peaceable lives indistinguishable from the non-Muslims around them.

Correct. They don't all want to fight and die. That's a good thing. We're lucky they choose not to obey.

 

[stevecanuck]

You'll find though that those advocating such a position go to absurd lengths to equate their beliefs with fact.

I don't recall you ever following one of your proclamations from on high with the phrase, "For example, ......".

 

[Chagos]

Where are Chagos, Kiwimac, and Flefermaus to point out Medusa's use of the Appeal to Authority fallacy? Nowhere of course. To do so would require them to be fair, consistent, and arguing in good faith.

Congratulations on successful membership in the group of "travellers to Australia by shovel".

You, like others here, not only show your ignorance on the topic at hand, in the process of spouting forth on it you also show the extent of that ignorance spreading to other fields.

Unsurprisingly you thus accuse Medusa of the very same thing that you constantly engage in. Claiming to be an authority as you yourself do is a process of constantly shooting own foot. It becomes additionally ridiculous when you even link to threads of your own with the claim that they prove what you say here.

I have no idea what sort of authority on Islam Medusa can claim as being and I don't see her providing any proof to that extent either. That you, however, are nothing of the sort is something that you have been absolutely tops at demonstrating.

It is projection at its finest and extremely foolish behavior. I need not point out what such behavior makes the person that engages in it.

Disqualifying yourself with every post as you do, you become even lighter every time somebody can be bothered to weigh you.

Pretty soon you'll be able to abandon the shovel on account of being able to fly on your own hot air.

 

[Realitywins]

Congratulations on successful membership in the group of "travellers to Australia by shovel".

You, like others here, not only show your ignorance on the topic at hand, in the process of spouting forth on it you also show the extent of that ignorance spreading to other fields.

Unsurprisingly you thus accuse Medusa of the very same thing that you constantly engage in. Claiming to be an authority as you yourself do is a process of constantly shooting own foot. It becomes additionally ridiculous when you even link to threads of your own with the claim that they prove what you say here.

I have no idea what sort of authority on Islam Medusa can claim as being and I don't see her providing any proof to that extent either. That you, however, are nothing of the sort is something that you have been absolutely tops at demonstrating.

It is projection at its finest and extremely foolish behavior. I need not point out what such behavior makes the person that engages in it.

Disqualifying yourself with every post as you do, you become even lighter every time somebody can be bothered to weigh you.

Pretty soon you'll be able to abandon the shovel on account of being able to fly on your own hot air.

Interesting rant. Stevecanuck has spent time in the land of sand, speaks Arabic and reads the Quran in that language. What are your credentials?

 

[Chagos]

The Qur'an exists for the sole purpose of defining Islam.



In the case of Islam, ONE human did all the defining. Every word (so they believe) in the Qur'an came out of Mohamed's mouth.

Congratulations, you've just declared hadiths (for example) as obsolete.

ISIS does not define Islam - it follows Islam.

It both defines it and then follows its definition of it.

Really? Gee thanks for throwing the blanket over that particular problem. Anything else you can completely clear up for us in one swell foop?????

Well, I can add something. You're a part of that same group of ignoramuses.

Correct. They don't all want to fight and die. That's a good thing. We're lucky they choose not to obey.

We're lucky that they're not as ignorant as you are.

 

[Chagos]

Interesting rant. Stevecanuck has spent time in the land of sand, speaks Arabic and reads the Quran in that language. What are your credentials?

The very same. Except for the fact that I've spent far more years and in far more countries there. Not cooped up in some foreigners' compound either and, even then, not in such close proximity to the most respected Islamic university as not to have made use of the opportunity to have exchanges with both students and teachers from there.

So what are your credentials apart from appealing to a self declared authority of someone else?

 

[Chagos]

I don't recall you ever following one of your proclamations from on high with the phrase, "For example, ......".

non sequiturs now, eh? The last desperate resort of those having nothing.

 

[Realitywins]

The very same. Except for the fact that I've spent far more years and in far more countries there. Not cooped up in some foreigners' compound either and, even then, not in such close proximity to the most respected Islamic university as not to have made use of the opportunity to have exchanges with both students and teachers from there.

So what are your credentials apart from appealing to a self declared authority of someone else?

I guess there are two "self-declared" authorities here then. You and Steve Canuck. Me? I have no authority whatsoever, but I can read the hadiths written on the wall.

 

[Chagos]

I guess there are two "self-declared" authorities here then. You and Steve Canuck. Me? I have no authority whatsoever, but I can read the hadiths written on the wall.

You've written hadiths on your wall?

Oh dear.

Get some white paint quickly:mrgreen:

P.S. I don't declare myself to be a scholar BTW (as in being an "authority" on Muslim theology).

Cannuck does.

 

[coldjoint]

I guess there are two "self-declared" authorities here then. You and Steve Canuck. Me? I have no authority whatsoever, but I can read the hadiths written on the wall.

Exactly. There is no great mystery here. The reason Chagos claims there is with talk of respected Islamic universities is nothing more than an attempt to cloud the issues with something an educated liar has said. I use the word liar because Mohammad has already told us what Islam is. Second guessing the prophet is simply not allowed, and all the bull**** about other interpretations is that, simply bull****.

Now, if there were not terror attacks or ISIS maybe some attention might be warranted, but there are terror attacks and ISIS and no Muslims stopping them. Lip service and claims that terror has nothing to do with Islam accomplish nothing, are a lie, and save 0 lives.

Again I offer up the verses and biography of Mohammad as evidence and challenge Chagos to find verses or sayings in sacred Islamic literature that say anything different about Mohammads and Islams intent. The Koran and the Hadith are at his educated disposal. Let's see some evidence not replies that attack the messenger or question his intelligence, that is not the topic.

 

[Realitywins]

Exactly. There is no great mystery here. The reason Chagos claims there is with talk of respected Islamic universities is nothing more than an attempt to cloud the issues with something an educated liar has said. I use the word liar because Mohammad has already told us what Islam is. Second guessing the prophet is simply not allowed, and all the bull**** about other interpretations is that, simply bull****.

Now, if there were not terror attacks or ISIS maybe some attention might be warranted, but there are terror attacks and ISIS and no Muslims stopping them. Lip service and claims that terror has nothing to do with Islam accomplish nothing, are a lie, and save 0 lives.

Again I offer up the verses and biography of Mohammad as evidence and challenge Chagos to find verses or sayings in sacred Islamic literature that say anything different about Mohammads and Islams intent. The Koran and the Hadith are at his educated disposal. Let's see some evidence not replies that attack the messenger or question his intelligence, that is not the topic.

I suspect he will decline your invitation.

 

[coldjoint]

I suspect he will decline your invitation.

He always does. He has me on ignore, but reads my posts. I know this because he commented on my signature that does not appear in quotes. But he is dishonest from the get go and still claims he does not see what I post. He does.

 

[Kiwimac]

Exactly. There is no great mystery here. The reason Chagos claims there is with talk of respected Islamic universities is nothing more than an attempt to cloud the issues with something an educated liar has said. I use the word liar because Mohammad has already told us what Islam is. Second guessing the prophet is simply not allowed, and all the bull**** about other interpretations is that, simply bull****.

Now, if there were not terror attacks or ISIS maybe some attention might be warranted, but there are terror attacks and ISIS and no Muslims stopping them. Lip service and claims that terror has nothing to do with Islam accomplish nothing, are a lie, and save 0 lives.

Again I offer up the verses and biography of Mohammad as evidence and challenge Chagos to find verses or sayings in sacred Islamic literature that say anything different about Mohammads and Islams intent. The Koran and the Hadith are at his educated disposal. Let's see some evidence not replies that attack the messenger or question his intelligence, that is not the topic.

Rot and nonsense. You are as fundamentalist in your understanding of Islam as those you decry.

He aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata!

 

[Realitywins]

Rot and nonsense. You are as fundamentalist in your understanding of Islam as those you decry.

He aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata!

Well if the people count, the people of Islam are not doing much about the Jihadists in their midst. That is where the cure must start, but won't because at their heart every Muslim secretly agrees with the Jihadists. Were this not true, they would rise up as one and rid themselves of the pestilence in their ranks.

 

[coldjoint]

Rot and nonsense. You are as fundamentalist in your understanding of Islam as those you decry.

He aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata!

Tell us what to understand. Show us where terror and jihad is condemned by Mohammad. How many times are you going to knock my understanding while not offering any proof of a different Mohammad approved understanding. You can't or you would. I offer facts and obligations for the faithful from Islamic holy literature that ISIS is following, you offer 0.

 

[Kiwimac]

Tell us what to understand. Show us where terror and jihad is condemned by Mohammad. How many times are you going to knock my understanding while not offering any proof of a different Mohammad approved understanding. You can't or you would. I offer facts and obligations for the faithful from Islamic holy literature that ISIS is following, you offer 0.

And I have offered verses taken IN context showing that what you are asserting is incorrect. You seemingly listen as well as I do.

He aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata!

 

[coldjoint]

And I have offered verses taken IN context showing that what you are asserting is incorrect. You seemingly listen as well as I do.

He aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata!

There is no context in the Koran, it is repetition and abrogation. Show me again I am all ears, and eyes.

 

[Chagos]

I suspect he will decline your invitation.

You're a genius.

 

[Realitywins]

You're a genius.

You are too kind. However, even a dull normal could see neither you nor he are going to come up with t goodies.

 

[Chagos]

You are too kind. However, even a dull normal could see neither you nor he are going to come up with t goodies.

Where coldjoint is concerned, I agree. I haven't seen him come up with anything at all, not even the baddies.

Hence my dismissal.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Well if the people count, the people of Islam are not doing much about the Jihadists in their midst. That is where the cure must start, but won't because at their heart every Muslim secretly agrees with the Jihadists. Were this not true, they would rise up as one and rid themselves of the pestilence in their ranks.

Which ones of the one and a half billion are the slackers? Could they ever do enough to satisfy the Christianist talibs?

 

[Realitywins]

Which ones of the one and a half billion are the slackers? Could they ever do enough to satisfy the Christianist talibs?

Every single one of them.

 

[Chagos]

~.......................... at their heart every Muslim secretly agrees with the Jihadists. Were this not true, they would rise up as one and rid themselves of the pestilence in their ranks. [/B]

This is what you call proof, I take it.

The classical No True Scotsman argument.

Poor.

 

[coldjoint]

Which ones of the one and a half billion are the slackers? Could they ever do enough to satisfy the Christianist talibs?

How about they just stop other Muslims from killing us? If there are so many and they are so disgusted with ISIS and terror, as you claim, what is the problem?

You know the answer. The religion and what it teaches is the problem.

 

[coldjoint]

This is what you call proof, I take it.

The classical No True Scotsman argument.

Poor.

Another non-answer. You have been asked to say something relevant like your proof of Mohammads Islam is not what ISIS is following. The fact you won't do it gives an answer. It is Islam. No mystery, no scholars, no bull****.