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ISIS And Mohammad

Fledermaus said:
What is.disingenuous in pointing out his hypocrisy?
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First, it is not hypocrisy because I never said Christians did not do terrible things or the Bible did not contain violent verses. I said Islam has them, and that Islamists are acting on them.

Secondly, Mohammad is responsible for what Islamists believe. The topic is ISIS and Mohammad. The video gives evidence you have not even come close to disputing.

Now watch it again, and tell me what is not a fact backed up in Islamic literature. If you are not going to do that then what are you doing here?
 
coldjoint said:
No they are just the first ones with the nuclear technology to build, and will build, a bomb. Nothing to worry about, because they will use it if they get it.
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They don't have a nuke and the leader has said the use of one is against Islamic theology. You do recall they are a theocracy?

He aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata!
 
Kiwimac said:
They don't have a nuke and the leader has said the use of one is against Islamic theology. You do recall they are a theocracy?

He aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata!
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Their leader tells you what you want to hear. Don't count on any terror being to terrible for Islamists.
 
Why do you frighten yourself so? The grown-ups have it covered.
 
Fledermaus said:
What is.disingenuous in pointing out his hypocrisy?
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Oh! I'm sorry. I didn't realize you have no idea what hypocrisy means.

Let's review the bidding:

- You asked him for quotes from the Qur'an.
- He provided them.
- He made no mention of anything else that could possibly lead to a charge of hypocrisy.

So yeah, I'm sticking with disingenuous.
 
Fledermaus said:
What defense is there to rape?

None.

So I won't go there to defend rape.

So... Do YOU believe coldjoint understands Islam beyond a comic book level?
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I see you're pretending I'm asking you to defend rape. Interesting choice.

Ok, let's play your silly game. I'll pretend you made an honest mistake, so I'll spell it out for you.

- It's my impression that you reflexively defend Islam no matter what.
- I'm making the contention that the good-time rapes of Yazidi girls is sanctioned in Islam.
- I present the evidence in my "Islam and rape" thread.
- I'm challenging you to read it and prove me wrong.

If you understand and accept that rape of slaves and captives is allowable in Islam, then you have my apology for assuming otherwise.
 
The problem with this whole thing is that it goes along the same lines of most of what "interested parties" on here and elsewhere intend.

That being to denigrate the whole religion and all of its followers. Where there is a constant flow of lip service from those parties (when accused) of not doing anything of the kind (i.e. not broad brushing ALL Muslims) it shows that immediately afterwards they go back to doing exactly that.

I don't know what the video in the OP is (blanked to me), but I suspect that it's by the same guy whose other video shows up to me in #22 and thus, judging by the thread title, refers to "correlations between ISIS and Muhammad".

That video alone would have been more honestly titled as "Correlations between ISIS and what it believes (interprets) or claims to believe to be justification of its acts by Muhammad's teachings". A pretty clumsy title for sure but nevertheless nowhere near as prevaricating as that which Farraj chose.

Leaving aside the fact that the story he cites on Asma bint Marwan has found complete rejection (named a fabrication) by both classical and neo-classical hadith scholars, and forgetting for a minute that a TV evangelist's change of faith hardly makes him a serious and reputable scholar all on its own, the manner of presentation in virtual all his videos is of the same dishonesty one has long since become used to from those mindlessly citing him and others of his ilk.

There is no doubt that ISIS holds up parts of the Qur'an (and any other writings it finds convenient) as justification for its atrocious actions, the salient point here is that, on the return lane, holding the whole religion and thus ALL Muslims responsible for the actions of ISIS is simply lying.

So that "expert" can go and take a flying jump as much as can those that support the lies by spreading them.

And before we get yet another indignant screech of "I didn't say ALL Muslims", the OPs post of Aug-16 (presumably #14) shows as saying precisely that.
Then watch all 13. He is saying what I have been saying. The root problem is Mohammads Islam, or just Islam.
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"just Islam" being particularly telling.
 
stevecanuck said:
I see you're pretending I'm asking you to defend rape. Interesting choice.

Ok, let's play your silly game. I'll pretend you made an honest mistake, so I'll spell it out for you.

- It's my impression that you reflexively defend Islam no matter what.
- I'm making the contention that the good-time rapes of Yazidi girls is sanctioned in Islam.
- I present the evidence in my "Islam and rape" thread.
- I'm challenging you to read it and prove me wrong.

If you understand and accept that rape of slaves and captives is allowable in Islam, then you have my apology for assuming otherwise.
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Since you present absolutely no evidence in that thread for your claims, there is no need to refute anything beyond what has already been refuted in there.

Also I again remind of how ludicrous it is to try and necro a thread that has been decomposing for months and rightly too.
 
Chagos said:
Since you present absolutely no evidence in that thread for your claims, there is no need to refute anything beyond what has already been refuted in there.

Also I again remind of how ludicrous it is to try and necro a thread that has been decomposing for months and rightly too.
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I find it interesting that you keep saying this despite the fact that anyone who wants to make an honest assessment of that thread could easily read it, examine the evidence, and show that you have yet to offer anything other than gratuitous denial. Your choice, but a very strange one. So, please keep repeating the lie. It's all you have.
 
stevecanuck said:
I find it interesting that you keep saying this despite the fact that anyone who wants to make an honest assessment of that thread could easily read it, examine the evidence, and show that you have yet to offer anything other than gratuitous denial. Your choice, but a very strange one. So, please keep repeating the lie. It's all you have.
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As you say, it can be read by anyone.

If you want to rehash that corpse, there's nobody stopping you (not certain but I believe it wouldn't breach any rules here).

I was done with it before it died and my reasons were clearly stated at the time. If you want to kid yourself that you came out on top, go right ahead. But citing it as evidence when it clearly shows to be of the exact nature I describe in #158 here is laughable.

As to these constant attempts to re-garner interest for it, you might as well upload your own opinionated suppositions to youtube and then cite that video as evidence.

Which would at least make for some merriment in this whole sad affair.
 
coldjoint said:
First, it is not hypocrisy because I never said Christians did not do terrible things or the Bible did not contain violent verses. I said Islam has them, and that Islamists are acting on them.

Secondly, Mohammad is responsible for what Islamists believe. The topic is ISIS and Mohammad. The video gives evidence you have not even come close to disputing.

Now watch it again, and tell me what is not a fact backed up in Islamic literature. If you are not going to do that then what are you doing here?
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Watch this video....

A poor form of debate.
 
Chagos said:
As you say, it can be read by anyone.

If you want to rehash that corpse, there's nobody stopping you (not certain but I believe it wouldn't breach any rules here).

I was done with it before it died and my reasons were clearly stated at the time. If you want to kid yourself that you came out on top, go right ahead. But citing it as evidence when it clearly shows to be of the exact nature I describe in #158 here is laughable.

As to these constant attempts to re-garner interest for it, you might as well upload your own opinionated suppositions to youtube and then cite that video as evidence.

Which would at least make for some merriment in this whole sad affair.
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It is evidence that Mohammad did what ISIS is doing. If it is not then your so called Islamic scholars are reading the wrong book. Tell us why what Islam itself says is not evidence, and more important it is fact.

Dispute what is said. Stop deflecting for a change. I do not expect any substance from you, but what the Hell.
 
stevecanuck said:
I see you're pretending I'm asking you to defend rape. Interesting choice.

Ok, let's play your silly game. I'll pretend you made an honest mistake, so I'll spell it out for you.

- It's my impression that you reflexively defend Islam no matter what.
- I'm making the contention that the good-time rapes of Yazidi girls is sanctioned in Islam.
- I present the evidence in my "Islam and rape" thread.
- I'm challenging you to read it and prove me wrong.

If you understand and accept that rape of slaves and captives is allowable in Islam, then you have my apology for assuming otherwise.
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YOU asked why I did not participate in a thread about rape.

If you don't want an honest answer, don't ask the question.

And since I answered your question, it is your turn to answer mine.

Do YOU believe coldjoint understands Islam beyond a comic book level?

Yes or No?
 
stevecanuck said:
- It's my impression that you reflexively defend Islam no matter what.
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Your impression is so wrong it is laughable.

stevecanuck said:
- I'm making the contention that the good-time rapes of Yazidi girls is sanctioned in Islam.
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And since there is NO defense for rape I presented no defense for rape in that thread.

stevecanuck said:
- I present the evidence in my "Islam and rape" thread.
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A big "so what" as I did not defend the rapes.

stevecanuck said:
- I'm challenging you to read it and prove me wrong.
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About what? Rape is wrong? Yes, it is wrong.

Under ALL circumstances.
 
Fledermaus said:
Your impression is so wrong it is laughable.



And since there is NO defense for rape I presented no defense for rape in that thread.



A big "so what" as I did not defend the rapes.



About what? Rape is wrong? Yes, it is wrong.

Under ALL circumstances.
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The pretense continues. I couldn't have been more clear about what I'm asking you to comment on.
 
Fledermaus said:
Watch this video....

A poor form of debate.
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No it is not. Mohammad did the things ISIS is doing. Are you saying different? Then let's debate. Why isn't it true?
 
Fledermaus said:
Do YOU believe coldjoint understands Islam beyond a comic book level?
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He might not answer because of the cliques around here. Then again, he might. My knowledge of Islam is more than comic book. Comics are fiction. And what you think Islam is more fiction than anything based on fact.

And you have proven your lack of knowledge by not once discussing the topic.
 
Fledermaus said:
Do YOU believe coldjoint understands Islam beyond a comic book level?
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You make a lot of demands for someone who refuses to respond to direct questions. I don't mind answering your question, and I will, but you have to meet me half way. Let's get back to some old business. You made a VERY specific request of coldjoint (provide verses), AND HE COMPLIED. You have yet to acknowledge that, so no, I won't be answering you until you show some willingness to communicate rather than just snipe.
 
Chagos said:
As you say, it can be read by anyone.

If you want to rehash that corpse, there's nobody stopping you (not certain but I believe it wouldn't breach any rules here).

I was done with it before it died and my reasons were clearly stated at the time. If you want to kid yourself that you came out on top, go right ahead. But citing it as evidence when it clearly shows to be of the exact nature I describe in #158 here is laughable.

As to these constant attempts to re-garner interest for it, you might as well upload your own opinionated suppositions to youtube and then cite that video as evidence.

Which would at least make for some merriment in this whole sad affair.
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Is it just me, or does anyone else hear a high-pitched whining sound?
 
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