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Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

Is Yawehism a "Religion of Peace"?

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Is that what's happening?
 

That has more to do with the fact that there have never been that many Jews and how they were scapegoated in the New Testament in an attempt to appeal to a Roman audience. I doubt the average Joe Palestinian, having witnessed his kids dying after a U.N. shelter was targeted, would argue that religious Jews are anymore peaceful than Christians or Muslims are when you arm them.
 

Justice? So by not believing something that is UNPROVABLE the punishment should be eternal hellfire? No, that's not justice, and it's not mercy. Some consequence would be ok, but eternal hellfire with NO chance of mercy, that is not justice or mercy.

I notice now this is irrelevant because your signature quote suggests you're a calvinist, which is in my opinion the most despicable belief system in human history. You want to talk about justice and yet you believe that god created people destined to be sent to eternal hellfire and torture? Mercy my ass.
 

They run wild when allowed to, just as Christians would run wild if they had their own countries where they were allowed to. Europe's problem is that their largely liberal governments have allowed Muslims to go crazy there too, out of some ridiculous liberal desire not to offend anyone. They have allowed them to set up Sharia courts and live under Sharia law. Most of the Muslims in Europe came directly from Islamic countries where they're allowed to do what they want religiously. We don't allow that in the United States, we don't have those problems.

Besides, I never said Islam was peaceful. I've said NO RELIGIONS ARE PEACEFUL. They only achieve that state when forced into it kicking and screaming by secular society. You ought to learn to read.
 


Ah yes, rationalizing your way around the Bible. A typical Christian trait. :roll:
 

Most of those reforms were internal, and did nothing to stop the church's violent domination over European culture. They still tortured and murdered people all the time, still meddled in the politics of countries, still conducted inquisitions, still conducted crusades... There's nothing resembling modern secularism, or any form of secularism where I'm not burnt at the stake, for a long time after this.

And I'm not American, but I notice you ducked the question about the bill of rights being a meaningless historical event because slavery still existed.
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Fine, western secular liberal views. Views that were not in any way a part of Christian doctrine. I ignored that question because it's absurd. The bill of rights is currently law. It is not meaningless at all. Nor did it even address slavery. Was the notion that "all men are created equal" hypocritical in that slave owners wrote it? Yes. They didn't live up to that ideal. But nobody even had the ideal that religion shouldn't have power over people who didn't want to be a part of that religion until at least the Enlightenment, possibly later.

And secular culture did not supplant Christian culture, since 80% of Americans are Christian. Christian culture just happens to be fertile ground for secularism.
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Their Christianity would be quite unrecognizable to Christians of a few centuries ago, especially the ones during your vaunted reforms. But despite their religious affectation, our culture is secular. Our laws are secular, our capitalism is extremely secular. Our views on money, sex, morality, and our place in the universe, for all but the most ignorant religious people (which are the minority of religious people, of course) are secular, to the point where their Christianity is having to twist itself around to incorporate those views and claim they had them all along. Somewhat like what you're doing.
 

Christianity is. Which is why I wonder why extremist Christians aren't extremely Chrst-like, but that's for another time.
 
johndylan1 said:
Very poorly informed statement. Where exactly in scripture are Christians commanded to kill those who differ in their religious view? You can't answer can you?
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Are we allowed to utilize Old Testament texts?
 

The first commandment can inspire adherents to submit to violent teachings against the infidel.
 
johndylan1 said:
I don't believe that is accurate at all. Judiasm was practiced by all Jewish tribes.
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When was the term Jew, Judaism or Jewish used in the first 5 books of the Bible? These were Israelites not Jews.
 

I guess it is hard to make a distinction. Is the religion violent in and of itself? Is the culture of people practicing these religions violent people? I think for Islam you can say yes to both. I think of Yahwehism you can say yes to both. I think with Christianity you can say no to both. I wasn't referencing Judaism or Christianity in my opening post. The texts of the Koran are violent. The texts of the Old Testament are violent. The text of the New Testament are not violent to my knowledge.

I wonder if it is possible for us to critique the text, ignore current culture and ignore current events.
 

Mixed breed cattle are an abomination to God. The cattle of the Philistines were likely hybrids not necessarily heretics.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Mixed breed cattle are an abomination to God. The cattle of the Philistines were likely hybrids not necessarily heretics.
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Mixed fabrics are an abomination too, that doesn't seem to bother most modern Christians.
 
American said:
Is that what's happening?
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Is the Israeli government destroying Mosques and Churches within it's borders? Maybe but I am not aware of it. What are you trying to say?
 

One has to look at origination of a religion in the context of the historical circumstances the founders of that religion were in. In the case of Christianity, the New Testament was written by Jews that were living under Roman occupation, when Judaism was a pariah in the Roman Empire. They had to watch what they said and did lest they be executed for sedition. Thus, the New Testament is not overtly violent because they were trying to appeal to Romans when they wrote it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You want to talk about justice and yet you believe that god created people destined to be sent to eternal hellfire and torture?
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Would you like to explain to me how you could stop God from sending you to hell unfairly?
Would you like to explain to me how you could stop God from sending you to heaven unfairly?

If an omnipotent being exists then we have absolutely no control over this being. Is the Calvinistic logic that hard to understand? If God doesn't like you there is nothing you can do about it. If God likes you there is nothing you can do about it. Otherwise this being known as God isn't omnipotent.
 
Cephus said:
Mixed fabrics are an abomination too, that doesn't seem to bother most modern Christians.
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In the scripture you referenced God didn't command them to burn the clothes.
 

You are entitled to your own opinion concerning religion, you are not entitled to omit what doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas. As for my signature line, One doesn't have to be Calvinist to appreciate quotes from Calvin. I do however find Calvinist interpretation very meaningful and it offers a version of Christianity that emphasizes humility. I doubt that you can support your disdain for Calvinist Theology with any facts, so that is a meaningless statement.
 
Cephus said:
Ah yes, rationalizing your way around the Bible. A typical Christian trait. :roll:
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Actually it not rationalizing, it is identifying what I am reading and understanding it prior to forming an opinion. You'd do well to try that!
 
shrubnose said:
Only towards the unbelievers.
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Is there any equivalent and overtly stated precept of violence in Christian theology or uniquely Christian scripture, excepting the crucifixion of Christ?
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Are we allowed to utilize Old Testament texts?
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Only if those texts were written to Christian communities. You can appropriately use those texts to attack the character of God if you so choose, however you cannot use them to attack Christian theology, as they are specifically for the ancient Jewish community that they addressed. The only impact those historical texts have on Christianity is the theological meaning they provide, not their example.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
The first commandment can inspire adherents to submit to violent teachings against the infidel.
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It could if the individual chose to, but unlike Islam that is not required. In Judaism I believe the directive was to cast them out. This again was more cultural than religious, The Israelite had just left a land of plenty in Egypt and were now in wilderness (desert), it was imperative to build unity of culture for survival.
 
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