Is Trump's version of herd immunity evil?

[Dans La Lune]

If your intention is to force-feed a theory of herd immunity on the American population by spreading the COVID virus to as many people as possible, with the end result being the needless deaths of millions (mostly the sick and the elderly), is this evil? Perhaps even evil on a Biblical scale?

 

[Visbek]

I'd say that the administration's clinging to "herd immunity" is deeply, deeply, deeply immoral.

The Trump administration doesn't give a crap about anything other than feeding Trump's ego. They don't care about any sort of duty to protect American citizens, or fidelity to the Constitution.

A big part of that now includes reams of denial about Trump's incompetence and willful refusal to accept the true nature of the virus. Another part is that science, medicine, facts and reality hold no sway for Dear Leader and his sycophants.

As a result, rather than admit that they have completely and utterly screwed up, in a way that has added tens of thousands to the US death toll, they are twisting the science to justify their deathly inactivity.

That said, any charges of hypocrisy ought to be a bit more specific. Not everyone on the right is happy with Trump's handling of the virus, in no small part because they realize he hasn't protected Americans -- he wasn't even able to protect himself, his family or his staff. Thus, I don't think using this to criticize the entire right wing doesn't check out.

 

[swing_voter]

Herd immunity is what happens during a pandemic when you don't do anything.

People get sick, get better or die, and they become immune. When over 60% of the population is immune, the virus has a hard time spreading.

Sweden is letting this happen. They are letting a lot of their citizens die. When you have state funded health care, letting all those unhealthy people die will save the state a lot of money.

 

[Airyaman]

If Trump wanted herd immunity, why was he banning travel from China then Europe?

 

[Mycroft]

If your intention is to force-feed a theory of herd immunity on the American population by spreading the COVID virus to as many people as possible, with the end result being the needless deaths of millions (mostly the sick and the elderly), is this evil? Perhaps even evil on a Biblical scale?

" by spreading the COVID virus to as many people as possible "

Bullshit

 

[bongsaway]

" by spreading the COVID virus to as many people as possible "

Bullshit

How about you inform us of what the plan from the white house is if this is bullshit?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Of course it's evil

 

[Mycroft]

How about you inform us of what the plan from the white house is if this is bullshit?

How about you quote any plan from the WH that says " by spreading the COVID virus to as many people as possible " .

 

[Logician Man]

How about you quote any plan from the WH that says " by spreading the COVID virus to as many people as possible " .

Watch Trump's hate rallies, listen to Trump's irresponsible scoffing at mask wearing, check back in 5-7 days, check infection rate, and latest death count. Actions can speak as loud, if not louder, than words.

 

[Dans La Lune]

" by spreading the COVID virus to as many people as possible "

Bullshit

I noticed you didn't even want to try arguing the point that millions will die under Trump's efforts to achieve herd immunity, which was the foundation for the evil accusation.

 

[Mycroft]

Watch Trump's hate rallies, listen to Trump's irresponsible scoffing at mask wearing, check back in 5-7 days, check infection rate, and latest death count. Actions can speak as loud, if not louder, than words.

Oh...can you quote Trump saying he is holding the rallies to " force-feed a theory of herd immunity on the American population "?

 

[Logician Man]

Oh...can you quote Trump saying he is holding the rallies to " force-feed a theory of herd immunity on the American population "?

Just did. Ever heard of sign language?

 

[Dans La Lune]

Aside from yelling Fake News from the mountain top, what is Mycroft's response?

Coronavirus updates: Barron Trump, Nick Saban test positive; White House wants herd immunity by infecting young people

About 10K people expected at Donald Trump rally in Iowa. CDC warns that small holiday gatherings could be dangerous. Latest COVID news.

www.usatoday.com

"Report: White House officials want 'herd immunity' by infecting young people

As President Donald Trump embarks to a Wednesday campaign rally in Des Moines, Iowa, a report by the New York Times found that the White House is welcoming a declaration by a group of epidemiologists that calls for young people to re-enter society to stimulate "herd immunity."

Herd immunity is when a disease stops spreading because the majority of the population has had it.

The New York Times reported that two senior administration officials cited The Great Barrington Declaration, which calls for schools and universities to reopen, "young low-risk adults" to work normally and restaurants to reopen – a stance that has largely been condemned by most public health officials, who have called it "scientifically and ethically problematic."

The declaration came out of a meeting from the libertarian-leaning American Institute for Economic Research and its website says it has more than 9,000 signatures, though most names are not public.

"Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it," WHO Director-General Tedros Ghebreyesus said Monday, before the report dropped."

 

[Mycroft]

I noticed you didn't even want to try arguing the point that millions will die under Trump's efforts to achieve herd immunity, which was the foundation for the evil accusation.

I'm still trying to get proof that Trump is trying to achieve herd immunity.

 

[Mycroft]

Aside from yelling Fake News from the mountain top, what is Mycroft's response?

Coronavirus updates: Barron Trump, Nick Saban test positive; White House wants herd immunity by infecting young people

About 10K people expected at Donald Trump rally in Iowa. CDC warns that small holiday gatherings could be dangerous. Latest COVID news.

www.usatoday.com

Unnamed sources.

Yes...it's fake news. But then, that just about all we ever get from NYT nowadays.

So...you STILL don't have any proof that Trump is trying to do this: " If your intention is to force-feed a theory of herd immunity on the American population by spreading the COVID virus to as many people as possible, with the end result being the needless deaths of millions (mostly the sick and the elderly) ".

 

[Dans La Lune]

I'm still trying to get proof that Trump is trying to achieve herd immunity.

Well since you'll call anything I post fake news, the go-to rebuttal for all Trump sycophants when pushed into a corner, let me ask you this: If Trump pushed for Herd Immunity, would you withdraw your support from him?

 

[Mycroft]

Well since you'll call anything I post fake news, the go-to rebuttal for all Trump sycophants when pushed into a corner, let me ask you this: If Trump pushed for Herd Immunity, would you withdraw your support from him?

Give me a quote from Trump or an identified member of his administration and I won't call that fake news.

If you don't have that, then you have nothing.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Give me a quote from Trump or an identified member of his administration and I won't call that fake news.

If you don't have that, then you have nothing.

If I have nothing, then you should be comfortable in answering my question. Otherwise I suspect even you believe the 'Fake News' about Trump embracing herd immunity.

 

[Vadinho]

When the white man came to the New World, they brought with them small pox. Whether they knew it or not, the locals had no immunity to small pox as it was an Old World disease. Let us say for arguments sake that they knew it and also knew that the native population was likely to die from it. If they had argued for herd immunity, would you say it was evil or good policy? We all know what happened within the first 100 years of contact, millions upon millions of natives perished before they ever saw a white man due to small pox. Unintended spread of the disease based upon ignorance was not an evil act, intentionally spreading it to a vulnerable population was an evil act. Herd immunity worked for the white man, by the time it went through the Americas, the populations white men faced were a tenth of what was once there.

 

[dave8383]

White House Embraces Covid-19 ‘Herd Immunity’ Declaration

White House Embraces Covid-19 ‘Herd Immunity’ Declaration
Last Updated
Oct. 15, 2020, 3:07 a.m. ETOct. 15, 2020
Oct. 15, 2020
The Midwest and West are driving a virus surge in the U.S. The Eli Lilly antibody trial is paused because of potential safety concerns, just a day after Johnson & Johnson announced the pause of its coronavirus vaccine trial because of a sick volunteer.
This briefing has ended. Read live coronavirus updates here.

Here’s what you need to know:

• White House embraces a declaration from scientists that opposes lockdowns and relies on ‘herd immunity.’
• New virus cases are trending upward in a majority of American states.
• Eli Lilly antibody trial is paused because of potential safety concerns.
• Virginia’s governor was also a possible target of an anti-government plot, the F.B.I. says.
• Europe scrambles to halt a rising wave of virus cases with more refined travel restrictions and closures.
• Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for the coronavirus.
• Facing a pandemic shortfall, an Ohio college cuts 18 majors.
• Trump’s biggest fan in India, who cried when his idol contracted the virus, has died.
• Can you watch English soccer in person? It might depend on how good the teams are.
• After a 7-month wait, one tourist got Machu Picchu all to himself.

White House embraces a declaration from scientists that opposes lockdowns and relies on ‘herd immunity.’

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/13/world/coronavirus-covid

 

[Cardinal]

A majority of trump supporters believe the death toll is “acceptable.” I’m pretty okay with not treating their perspective on anything seriously.

 

[Guyzilla]

Herd immunity is what happens during a pandemic when you don't do anything.

People get sick, get better or die, and they become immune. When over 60% of the population is immune, the virus has a hard time spreading.

Sweden is letting this happen. They are letting a lot of their citizens die. When you have state funded health care, letting all those unhealthy people die will save the state a lot of money.

ONLY if you are extremely lucky. If the virus does not mutate. If immunity is fleeting. If virus is not too contagious. If virus is facing a HOMOGENOUSLY immunized population.