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Is there anyone here that believes the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment so that America would be the shooting gallery it is today?

CLAX1911 said:
I asked you would you consider it violent?
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The question is rhetorical at best and meaningless at worst. Yes, it is violent. So what? Are duels a legitimate way to settle disputes? And what exactly does this example have to do with answering the questions of a the reason for the right to bear arms? Anytime a weapon is used to hurt or kill someone it is a violent act. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment that refers to violence. So what is your question trying to get at?
 
mrjurrs said:
Thanks to @bongsaway for the idea of the format...

Whether you are a gun zealot or would prefer no guns in America, do you believe that the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment anticipating that America would become the most violent developed country in the world?

Congress won't do anything. The courts apparently never understood what a comma means in a phrase. Our only hope for meaningful gun safety in America appears to be in a Democrat President that is willing to grab powers denied to the Executive by law and use them.
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CLAX1911 said:
People in this era wouldn't have conceived of a group of people not being able to stop a shooter because everyone had guns and there wasn't gun control.

Mass shooters Target places where there's gun control.
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There is no evidence at all to suggest that is what mass shooters do.
 
SkyChief said:
The Founding Fathers acknowledged that everyone has a natural right to defend themselves and that's why they insisted that "the right to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed".

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams

Clearly, they meant for ALL peaceable citizens to have arms - not only Militia.
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The amendments could have included a right to revolt. Not so strangely they decided not to put that in the Constitution or amendment. Why do you think that might be?
 
CLAX1911 said:
No it's direct. Why are you so afraid to answer?
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If you read my last post, I did answer it. But it is a nonsense question. Is something violent violent? What do you think? Gee, I dunno. But the answer is very important to make some point about something pointless that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
 
Bullseye said:
I suspect today's left wingers worry a whole lot more about the placement of a comma than the founders ever did.
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No, it is the right wingers who claim to know exactly what the comma placement doesn’t mean.
 
devildavid said:
No, it is the right wingers who claim to know exactly what the comma placement doesn’t mean.
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Yeah, they "claim to know" because they read SCOTUS decision on the issue.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The issue with a firearms is not that you have them it's that they don't. They want the power.

Have you ever heard someone call someone a Nazi for having a political disagreement this is not because they hate Nazis it's because they're jealous of the power they had in Nazi Germany. If they had that power they would be just as bad.
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So firearms equal power? What power is exercised by having firearms? Anyone can easily own a gun if they want to. It doesn’t give the individual any more power than anyone else. Our power is derived from our form of government, not the ability to own a firearm.
 
RF667799 said:
5 Mar 1770
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That is not a Mass Shooting in the modern sense of the term nor is it one in any sense. That is a policing action. Nice try though...

Name a Mass Shooting pre-colt with one shooter massacring innocent civilians... I expect another dumb response. Don't let me down.
 
Who knows what they'd think. I know what I think. The issue is lost, so give up on it. Gun nuttery has been a tool that the rich on the right have used quite effectively.
 
SkyChief said:
The Founding Fathers acknowledged that everyone has a natural right to defend themselves and that's why they insisted that "the right to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed".

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams

Clearly, they meant for ALL peaceable citizens to have arms - not only Militia.
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And yet you guys complained when Scalise and Trump got shot. Why the double standard?
 
devildavid said:
So firearms equal power?
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Why would people who support dictatorships be so keen on taking them away?
devildavid said:
What power is exercised by having firearms?
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The power to affirm our rights. So if you have the right to keep your property and someone cut your throat and takes it well then you don't have that right do you? But should someone try to cut my throat not fill them up with bullets well then I still have my right don't I?
devildavid said:
Anyone can easily own a gun if they want to.
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Indeed.
devildavid said:
It doesn’t give the individual any more power than anyone else.
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The ideas that individuals don't have any power over anyone else when they were setting up this country over moving away from Kingdom not toward it.
devildavid said:
Our power is derived from our form of government,
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The people are the government. So our power is derived from ourselves duh and weaponry is the way we enforce it.
devildavid said:
not the ability to own a firearm.
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The ability to own a firearm gives you the ability to use deadly force and maintaining your rights very easily.
 
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