Is there any realistic chance that Bernie can win the dem nomination...

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...or is it hopeless at this point?

Over and over, it's pointed out that the person who is in the lead in the early polls rarely if ever ends up being the nominee, such trend would tend to indicate that Hillary won't be the nominee, but with Bernie significantly behind in most states polls, and only ahead in just a few states, it just seems to me that it's exceptionally unlikely that Hillary won't be the dem nominee. Especially since I can't tell that Hillary is loosing support or that Bernie is gaining support.

The only thing that makes me even remotely believe that Bernie could be nominated is the fact that his supporters seem to have so much "zeal" - to the point where his supporters may have close to a 100% turnout, possibly defeating Hillary supporters, who are most likely less enthusiastic about their choice (at least they SHOULD be less enthusiastic).

Also, I highly suspect, based upon knowledge of the plans of many local democrats, that some democrats are going to try to "Operation Chaos" Trump, by voting for Trump in the primary, with the expectation that Trump is the candidate who is the least likely to be able to beat Hillary. If this happens, I doubt that Bernie supporters would join in, because they aren't nearly as confident that Bernie will get the nomination, so voting for Trump would be more harmful than helpful to their candidate. So if Hillary's supporters version of Operation Chaos was succesful enough, it's possible that Bernie could win a few more of the close states.

 

[GunFora]

...or is it hopeless at this point?

Over and over, it's pointed out that the person who is in the lead in the early polls rarely if ever ends up being the nominee, such trend would tend to indicate that Hillary won't be the nominee, but with Bernie significantly behind in most states polls, and only ahead in just a few states, it just seems to me that it's exceptionally unlikely that Hillary won't be the dem nominee. Especially since I can't tell that Hillary is loosing support or that Bernie is gaining support.

The only thing that makes me even remotely believe that Bernie could be nominated is the fact that his supporters seem to have so much "zeal" - to the point where his supporters may have close to a 100% turnout, possibly defeating Hillary supporters, who are most likely less enthusiastic about their choice (at least they SHOULD be less enthusiastic).

Also, I highly suspect, based upon knowledge of the plans of many local democrats, that some democrats are going to try to "Operation Chaos" Trump, by voting for Trump in the primary, with the expectation that Trump is the candidate who is the least likely to be able to beat Hillary. If this happens, I doubt that Bernie supporters would join in, because they aren't nearly as confident that Bernie will get the nomination, so voting for Trump would be more harmful than helpful to their candidate. So if Hillary's supporters version of Operation Chaos was succesful enough, it's possible that Bernie could win a few more of the close states.

Last I heard was he's climbing. Hillary has a lot of baggage and is considered untrustworthy by a large majority of American voters. I'd say he has a shot at the nomination....but it will end there.

 

[Cardinal]

Generally speaking, the media needs to report on a candidate now and again in order for that person to have a chance in an election.

 

[Saucey]

Well.. I would say, look to the main stream media. Because unlike most of us on here.. Most citizens still look to them (I have no idea why), and so it depends on how they paint Hillary in the next couple months. Watch nbc, cbs, abc, cnn, msnbc..
Problem is, unlike Obama, Bernie is honest about what he wants and believes. Obama was not. That is how he got elected twice. Bernie is a Leftist statesman. Obama is all politics, teleprompter, and sticking of the finger in the wind type. I respect Bernie more because he is honest about what kind of a man he is.

 

[joG]

...or is it hopeless at this point?

Over and over, it's pointed out that the person who is in the lead in the early polls rarely if ever ends up being the nominee, such trend would tend to indicate that Hillary won't be the nominee, but with Bernie significantly behind in most states polls, and only ahead in just a few states, it just seems to me that it's exceptionally unlikely that Hillary won't be the dem nominee. Especially since I can't tell that Hillary is loosing support or that Bernie is gaining support.

The only thing that makes me even remotely believe that Bernie could be nominated is the fact that his supporters seem to have so much "zeal" - to the point where his supporters may have close to a 100% turnout, possibly defeating Hillary supporters, who are most likely less enthusiastic about their choice (at least they SHOULD be less enthusiastic).

Also, I highly suspect, based upon knowledge of the plans of many local democrats, that some democrats are going to try to "Operation Chaos" Trump, by voting for Trump in the primary, with the expectation that Trump is the candidate who is the least likely to be able to beat Hillary. If this happens, I doubt that Bernie supporters would join in, because they aren't nearly as confident that Bernie will get the nomination, so voting for Trump would be more harmful than helpful to their candidate. So if Hillary's supporters version of Operation Chaos was succesful enough, it's possible that Bernie could win a few more of the close states.

Any of those you mention are horrid examples of Presidential material.

 

[joG]

Last I heard was he's climbing. Hillary has a lot of baggage and is considered untrustworthy by a large majority of American voters. I'd say he has a shot at the nomination....but it will end there.

What a a mess. A lady that needs a cargo wagon for all her baggage and an ideologue that wants to radically change society with a dreamily crooked idea of economics?

 

[imagep]

Generally speaking, the media needs to report on a candidate now and again in order for that person to have a chance in an election.

Bernie gets a good it of media coverage, although not nearly as much as Trump or Hillary. Of course much of the coverage that Trump and Hillary get is negative. I don't hear to much negative coverage about Bernie, other than "he's a self proclaimed socialist".

 

[imagep]

What a a mess. A lady that needs a cargo wagon for all her baggage and an ideologue that wants to radically change society with a dreamily crooked idea of economics?

I agree, it's a mess, but republicans have an equally big mess, just with more participants.

 

[Cardinal]

Bernie gets a good it of media coverage, although not nearly as much as Trump or Hillary. Of course much of the coverage that Trump and Hillary get is negative. I don't hear to much negative coverage about Bernie, other than "he's a self proclaimed socialist".

He's not first page news, is largely my point. I suspect any popularity is mostly internet based, which isn't for nothing to be sure, but you have to have a lot more than that.

 

[Saucey]

Bernie gets a good it of media coverage, although not nearly as much as Trump or Hillary. Of course much of the coverage that Trump and Hillary get is negative. I don't hear to much negative coverage about Bernie, other than "he's a self proclaimed socialist".

They don't care.. Because he does not have any sensational qualities that they can blast in front of the TV with.

 

[GunFora]

What a a mess. A lady that needs a cargo wagon for all her baggage and an ideologue that wants to radically change society with a dreamily crooked idea of economics?

Agreed. Dems don't have a viable candidate this time around. GOP is looking marginally good with a couple of real conservatives...and umm...a'hem...Trump.

 

[Cardinal]

They don't care.. Because he does not have any sensational qualities that they can blast in front of the TV with.

Have you heard him speak? He's very articulate, directed and enthusiastic about his message.

 

[Saucey]

Have you heard him speak? He's very articulate and directed in his message.

Yes. That's why I said he's a statesman for his cause. It's not my cause, but I give him credit for being honest.

 

[Cardinal]

Yes. That's why I said he's a statesman for his cause. It's not my cause, but I give him credit for being honest.

Fair enough.

 

[Mason66]

Bernie appeals to the fringe of the Democratic party and you can't win with that.

 

[jmotivator]

...or is it hopeless at this point?

Over and over, it's pointed out that the person who is in the lead in the early polls rarely if ever ends up being the nominee, such trend would tend to indicate that Hillary won't be the nominee, but with Bernie significantly behind in most states polls, and only ahead in just a few states, it just seems to me that it's exceptionally unlikely that Hillary won't be the dem nominee. Especially since I can't tell that Hillary is loosing support or that Bernie is gaining support.

The only thing that makes me even remotely believe that Bernie could be nominated is the fact that his supporters seem to have so much "zeal" - to the point where his supporters may have close to a 100% turnout, possibly defeating Hillary supporters, who are most likely less enthusiastic about their choice (at least they SHOULD be less enthusiastic).

Also, I highly suspect, based upon knowledge of the plans of many local democrats, that some democrats are going to try to "Operation Chaos" Trump, by voting for Trump in the primary, with the expectation that Trump is the candidate who is the least likely to be able to beat Hillary. If this happens, I doubt that Bernie supporters would join in, because they aren't nearly as confident that Bernie will get the nomination, so voting for Trump would be more harmful than helpful to their candidate. So if Hillary's supporters version of Operation Chaos was succesful enough, it's possible that Bernie could win a few more of the close states.

I think the only thing that would win Sanders the nomination would be the FBI handing down an indictment to Hillary for criminal negligence in her handling of federal records. But that is of equally likely possibility of Sanders dying of old age over the next 11 months.

 

[ttwtt78640]

If Hillary gets indicted and if Sanders teams up with Warren then maybe.

 

[Robbie Loucks]

Anything's possible but right now Hillary Clinton is in a good position to win the nomination.

 

[faithful_servant]

...or is it hopeless at this point?

Over and over, it's pointed out that the person who is in the lead in the early polls rarely if ever ends up being the nominee, such trend would tend to indicate that Hillary won't be the nominee, but with Bernie significantly behind in most states polls, and only ahead in just a few states, it just seems to me that it's exceptionally unlikely that Hillary won't be the dem nominee. Especially since I can't tell that Hillary is loosing support or that Bernie is gaining support.

The only thing that makes me even remotely believe that Bernie could be nominated is the fact that his supporters seem to have so much "zeal" - to the point where his supporters may have close to a 100% turnout, possibly defeating Hillary supporters, who are most likely less enthusiastic about their choice (at least they SHOULD be less enthusiastic).

Also, I highly suspect, based upon knowledge of the plans of many local democrats, that some democrats are going to try to "Operation Chaos" Trump, by voting for Trump in the primary, with the expectation that Trump is the candidate who is the least likely to be able to beat Hillary. If this happens, I doubt that Bernie supporters would join in, because they aren't nearly as confident that Bernie will get the nomination, so voting for Trump would be more harmful than helpful to their candidate. So if Hillary's supporters version of Operation Chaos was succesful enough, it's possible that Bernie could win a few more of the close states.

Not a cellophane dog's chance in a blast furnace. While Bernie is good for getting the young and naive liberal voters all worked up, he's not electable. Not as the Dem. candidate nor in the general election. The Dem. machine will eventually end up gutting him like fish if they think that he has a chance of winning. Right now, they're all buddy-buddy, but once the primaries start, the Dem. machine will go whole hog for Hillary.

 

[imagep]

Bernie appeals to the fringe of the Democratic party and you can't win with that.

Certainly can't win the general election, I agree, but the polls show him winning about a third of the people polled.

 

[MrPeanut]

I think the democratic socialist label, the lack of name recognition with minorities, and the shift of focus to foreign policy will sink him. His positive speeches won't be able to comfort the majority of the base, and Hillary has pretty much stolen most of his good material by now anyway.

 

[Mason66]

Certainly can't win the general election, I agree, but the polls show him winning about a third of the people polled.

The question then becomes what kind of people are being polled and how they are asking the questions.

 

[imagep]

The question then becomes what kind of people are being polled and how they are asking the questions.

So you think that the current polls may not be representative of what will happen during the primaries?

This is where I have been finding poll numbers: RealClearPolitics - 2016 Election 2016 Presidential Polls

 

[Velvet Elvis]

...or is it hopeless at this point?

Never underestimate a welfare recipient, if given a vote. It will ALWAYS vote for the candidate that promises more "free stuff."

 

[imagep]

Never underestimate a welfare recipient, if given a vote. It will ALWAYS vote for the candidate that promises more "free stuff."

then Bernie getting the nomination is probably a lost cause if he has to depend on that. People who receive welfare have been proven by actual history to be the least likely demographic group to vote.

It's a bit of a myth that poor people vote themselves benefits. It's mathematically impossible for the minority group (welfare recipients) who are the least likely to vote, to win elections over the majority.