Is there any question left he obstructed justice?

[Parrish]

Oh, w/out doubt, but Trump presented a FAR greater potential thread to our country, our institutions and the rule of law.

Never has a POTUS tried as much as 45 to trash the other branches of the government as he has with the backing of the Legislative branch. His aim is MASH. Making America a S***Hole.

 

[eohrnberger]

Actually Congress MUST impeach if a President abuses his power. Otherwise we have a Constitutional crisis. This is a very real possibility given the lack of oversight by the GOP.

I see that you too haven't read what I posted.

Congress doesn't have to do anything, if they chose not to.

The only presidential abuse of power that we've recently been made aware of was Obama's.

 

[Moderate Right]

Because believe it or not there is a much more important crime that is being investigated by Mueller and it involves Russian meddling in our election process.

And he hasn't found one shred of evidence that Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians in order to influence the election. Hell, he isn't even investigated the meddling that Russia did do to attempt to influence our elections.

 

[trouble13]

Trump told us when he fired Comey he did so to end the Russian investigation. If that wasn't enough he has tried to fire others for the same purpose, but has been talked out of it. Now we find out he wanted to get rid off Mueller to stop the investigation. I don't think anyone can even question he fact that he has obstructed justice and many in the GOP are helping and should be looked at for obstructing justice themselves, including Nunes

I think you all should stop talking about it and press charges if your so sure he obstructed justice.

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[trouble13]

How would an innocent person react to a bogus political witch hunt?

If your name is hilarious clinton you deystroy evidence..... oh wait you said an innocent person, nevermind

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[trouble13]

Trump is guilty. All that remains is finding the crime.

LMAO, I'm stealing this from you. It's too good not to be recycled

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[trouble13]

If Trump was laundering money for Russian mobsters would you agree he should be impeached?

You mean like with a washer machine?

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[trouble13]

Fair enough. I actually am really looking forward to how this is ruled on.

I have heard his argument and it's interesting. Ild rather not see it come to this being fought over in front of the scotus but if it goes that far it will be interesting to hear their opinions.

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[trouble13]

Never has a POTUS tried as much as 45 to trash the other branches of the government as he has with the backing of the Legislative branch. His aim is MASH. Making America a S***Hole.

What if he is right?

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[Fishking]

Trump continued denial of Russian interference when all our security agencies say it is shows contempt for the rule of law.

No it doesn't. The intelligence agencies aren't law enforcement. Further, Russia being involved and Trump-Russia collusion are two entirely different things. So you can easily call it what it is, a bogus political witch hunt. Even the recovered texts from the FBI backs that up.

So does his continued harassment of law enforcement that is responsible for our safety. Innocent people don't lie when questioned about their actions either. It means they are hiding wrongdoing.

What harassment of law enforcement? Mueller isn't law enforcement. Most of actually law enforcement that I've talked to are much happier under Trump then they were under Obama.

 

[lurchadams]

So, is that the progessive ideology - throwing everyone in jail that behaves like a guilty person?

No, that's your ideology. You're still trying to throw Obama in jail for being black while president for 8 years and throw Hillary in jail for beating your idol in the 2016 popular vote. That's why you keep pulling stuff out of your butt and trying to get it to stick to them. You have no right to lecture anyone else on trying to railroad someone.

 

[iguanaman]

And he hasn't found one shred of evidence that Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians in order to influence the election. Hell, he isn't even investigated the meddling that Russia did do to attempt to influence our elections.

How do you know what evidence Mueller has or what he has investigated? No one outside the investigation has a clue. Mueller knows what was said in the multiple conversations between Russian espionage agents and Trump campaign members. Do you? I bet it was not about grandkids or the weather though.

 

[iguanaman]

No it doesn't. The intelligence agencies aren't law enforcement. Further, Russia being involved and Trump-Russia collusion are two entirely different things. So you can easily call it what it is, a bogus political witch hunt. Even the recovered texts from the FBI backs that up.



What harassment of law enforcement? Mueller isn't law enforcement. Most of actually law enforcement that I've talked to are much happier under Trump then they were under Obama.

LOL The FBI is our Govts. chief law enforcement agency and the one responsible for protecting us from terror attacks. To attack and weaken them is to leave us unguarded and vulnerable. It is inexcusably reckless .

 

[Fishking]

LOL The FBI is our Govts. chief law enforcement agency and the one responsible for protecting us from terror attacks. To attack and weaken them is to leave us unguarded and vulnerable. It is inexcusably reckless .

Right, and we're talking about the intelligence report put out by the DNI was from the intelligence agencies. As for the FBI, it has a long history of being political and stepping over the line. Even NPR admits this, and yet we still have it and they are still working, despite that, so it's not ultimately that big of a deal to criticize them now is it.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/26/5806...sia-the-fbi-has-been-political-from-the-start

Recent FBI investigations relevant to the 2016 presidential election have become the latest battleground in our deeply divided and partisan politics.

Some Republicans, disappointed by the lack of charges over Hillary Clinton's emails and distressed by the continuing probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election, suddenly perceive corruption in the FBI. Democrats counter that the casting of doubt on the nation's top national law enforcement agency is an unprecedented outrage.

Everyone agrees that the FBI should be as professional and impartial as possible and that its investigations should not be driven by any political agenda or vendetta. That has always been the ideal.

But various parties to the current imbroglio have been suggesting that somehow this is the first time the bureau may have fallen short of that ideal — or even been accused of doing so, rightly or wrongly.

Surely there is a massive case of collective amnesia afflicting Washington and much of the media commentariat on that score.

 

[iguanaman]

Right, and we're talking about the intelligence report put out by the DNI was from the intelligence agencies. As for the FBI, it has a long history of being political and stepping over the line. Even NPR admits this, and yet we still have it and they are still working, despite that, so it's not ultimately that big of a deal to criticize them now is it.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/26/5806...sia-the-fbi-has-been-political-from-the-start

Like everyone with half a brain, you know that Trump is guilty of something pretty darn bad but you want to somehow make it go away. This seems to becoming more and more desperate and reckless as time goes by. Mueller will be given the time to make a full report of his findings no matter what you may think or try. That report will stand on its evidence which will not be questionable but only verifiable facts. You need to come to grips with that eventually. Mueller has an impeccable record and is a registered Republican. This pathetic attempt to discredit him and the bureau will be the death of the Republican party.
From your link....

In his defense, Swecker's FBI tenure coincided almost exactly with that of Louis Freeh, Robert Mueller and James Comey, the directors of the agency from 1993 to last May. In these years, under these men, the FBI has been arguably less politicized and less of a political tool than at any time in its 109-year history.

 

[code1211]

All the lies for one.

Ah-ha!

I thought you were talking about Trump.

You're talking about our media, the Dems and the investigators.

NOW I get it. Thank you!

 

[Moderate Right]

No, that's your ideology. You're still trying to throw Obama in jail for being black while president for 8 years and throw Hillary in jail for beating your idol in the 2016 popular vote. That's why you keep pulling stuff out of your butt and trying to get it to stick to them. You have no right to lecture anyone else on trying to railroad someone.

I voted for Obama in 2012! I vote for a mix of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents and have for decades. Talk about partisanship. The left has gone rabid since November 2016 trying to throw Trump in jail. That's why you keep pulling stuff out of your butt and trying to get it to stick.

 

[Moderate Right]

How do you know what evidence Mueller has or what he has investigated? No one outside the investigation has a clue. Mueller knows what was said in the multiple conversations between Russian espionage agents and Trump campaign members. Do you? I bet it was not about grandkids or the weather though.

The left continues to say that Trump's own words prove he obstructed justice. If that is actually the case a million dollar investigation was not needed. They would have already carted Trump away in handcuffs. Apparently Mueller doesn't believe "Trump's own words prove he obstructed justice", that's why Mueller wants to interview him now. Why would he even need to do that if he already has Trump's own words to prove that he obstructed justice? I really should have bought kool aid stock several months ago and I kick myself in the butt for not doing so. I could already be a billionaire.

 

[Fishking]

Like everyone with half a brain, you know that Trump is guilty of something pretty darn bad but you want to somehow make it go away. This seems to becoming more and more desperate and reckless as time goes by. Mueller will be given the time to make a full report of his findings no matter what you may think or try. That report will stand on its evidence which will not be questionable but only verifiable facts. You need to come to grips with that eventually. Mueller has an impeccable record and is a registered Republican. This pathetic attempt to discredit him and the bureau will be the death of the Republican party.
From your link....

I'm sure if you dug you could find a lot of questionable financial dealings on Trump as he was a real estate developer in New York. That means there was probably dealings with the mob and such. But what we're talking about is Russian collusion, which didn't happen, and now that that is falling through ya'll are trying to make up an obstruction of justice charge. That is the point being made.

 

[Cardinal]

Trump told us when he fired Comey he did so to end the Russian investigation. If that wasn't enough he has tried to fire others for the same purpose, but has been talked out of it. Now we find out he wanted to get rid off Mueller to stop the investigation. I don't think anyone can even question he fact that he has obstructed justice and many in the GOP are helping and should be looked at for obstructing justice themselves, including Nunes

The only people who are genuinely uncertain whether he committed obstruction of justice are those who don't read the news.

 

[iguanaman]

I'm sure if you dug you could find a lot of questionable financial dealings on Trump as he was a real estate developer in New York. That means there was probably dealings with the mob and such. But what we're talking about is Russian collusion, which didn't happen, and now that that is falling through ya'll are trying to make up an obstruction of justice charge. That is the point being made.

Trump's actions are what brought on the investigation for obstruction. How can you be in such denial. A President can't fire someone to make an FBI investigation of members of your administration go away. Trump said himself that that is what he did. You cannot know for a fact that there was no collusion with Putin either. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming and any hard evidence could still be in Mueller's hands. Not to mention that if those "questionable dealings" were with Russians close to the Kremlin that would explain a lot.

 

[Fishking]

Trump's actions are what brought on the investigation for obstruction. How can you be in such denial. A President can't fire someone to make an FBI investigation of members of your administration go away. Trump said himself that that is what he did.

The firing of Comey didn't make the investigation go away. Further, everyone from both sides of the aisle was calling for Comey to be fired but then flipped out because he was fired? Doesn't make sense to me. Further, he didn't say what you think he said. Find the quote and point out to me where he says what you're implying.

 

[iguanaman]

The firing of Comey didn't make the investigation go away. Further, everyone from both sides of the aisle was calling for Comey to be fired but then flipped out because he was fired? Doesn't make sense to me. Further, he didn't say what you think he said. Find the quote and point out to me where he says what you're implying.

LOL And that is when he tried to fire Mueller.

 

[Fishking]

LOL And that is when he tried to fire Mueller.

Mueller is a different story. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some questionable financial dealings due to him being in real estate like he was. Special counsels can go after anything so there is probably worry about something, just not collusion and obstruction of justice.

 

[Absentglare]

You are like the fourth person to spread this lie today. If you watch the entire Lester Holt interview, Trump said repeatedly that he wanted the investigation to continue. Trump wasn't under investigation and Comey testified to congress that no one had done anything to obstruct his investigation. That said, it is good to see you guys have completely abandoned the collusion nonsense. Now all you can hope for is that Trump slipped up somehow during the investigation of this phony charge.

Yeah he just wanted the investigation to "continue" under someone who was willing to swear loyalty.

President Trump treats his supporters like idiots.