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Is there a god?

Re: No, they just claim they do.

Claiming that you own an argument is moot when one doesn't understand the argument.

"God did it" is hardly simpler because you've increased the amount of complexity in the system by suggesting the necessity of a creator, which would have to be much more complex than the universe in order to have created it.

A creator which you use to explain everything, but you offer no explanation about the creator. Simply put, what created god? Why can the creator be eternal, but not the universe?

What scientific information about the creator do you have to offer that would confirm your assertion that the prime mover of the universe is the god that you worship?

The idea of Jerry’s statement (which is all shaved well with Ocam’s razor, so explaining would make it less correct only) that the razor has been developed by Creationists/Id’s with the sole purpose of cutting throats of atheists.The idea of atheists that they can grab the razor to cut ID’rs is only a demonstration of the depth of stupidity of atheists. The result can be only self imposed cuts. The razor cannot be designed to cut its designers.

The idea of the next statement is that Jerry does not know how it works, and he does not need to know because it would not add anything the 1st statement.(Thus he automatically uses the razor again). If anyone wants to know how he can go and study ID and become an IDr to make the razor work for him.

The only thing Jerry does not understand that he cannot win a debate with atheists because they always agree that they always win. So, it is demonstrated here again.

As to your post, the razor would not cut it, because you are not speaking in terms and ways of logic, the field were it is design to work in. Sometimes I see something in an atheistic posts (even in your own ones once in a while) that represents some connected and related thoughts, so I can grab it, pull and have a good laugh; sometimes I see something I would be able to translate in terms of logic and reform into a constructed statement, so I can argue to something reasonable. But in the most of the posts, and in this particular one I don’t see a live threat to pull, there is nothing that can be argued. You are not even funny today.

Thus you have all reasons to celebrate your victory. I am conceding on Jerry’s behalf to save him shame and time time. Carry on with your grim fest.
 
....I just read that whole thing three times, and it still makes very little sense....


I want my minute back
 
....I just read that whole thing three times, and it still makes very little sense....


I want my minute back

Back in your NO COMPREHENDE mode?

So much of brain mass and yet it is the only argument against me you have been able to develop since I spoke to you the last year. Has it taken the whole mass or you have been keeping the most of it still ventilated?
 
....I just read that whole thing three times, and it still makes very little sense....

You didn't expect it to, I hope... :doh
 
No he didn't, he knows he never can make sense with the most of the mass ventilated. All he can make out is the sound of air rushing through...

Did you come here to demonstrate your mass? You mass is even bigger, but plug the hole, brain mass is not brownish, it is grayish. And it does not stink in this way.
 
No he didn't, he knows he can never can make sense with the most of the mass ventilated. All he can make out is the sound of air rushing through...

Did you come here to demonstrate your mass? Your mass is even bigger, but plug the hole. Brain mass is not brownish, it is grayish, and it does not stink in this way.

Tell ya' what there Padre....I'm in a bit of a pleasant mood and so would like to continue this little play on Broadway.


As my intellect is vastly inferior to yours, and any ability to express myself in English well below that which you have shown, I would be very happy to accept a True Debate Challenge from you.

Please simply pick a subject of your interest, and we shall commence post haste. As soon as you decide our debate topic, I will contact the powers that be to initiate the thread and you can then trounce me publicly for all to see.
 
Tell ya' what there Padre....I'm in a bit of a pleasant mood and so would like to continue this little play on Broadway.


As my intellect is vastly inferior to yours, and any ability to express myself in English well below that which you have shown, I would be very happy to accept a True Debate Challenge from you.

Please simply pick a subject of your interest, and we shall commence post haste. As soon as you decide our debate topic, I will contact the powers that be to initiate the thread and you can then trounce me publicly for all to see.

The subject has already been picked and you have already been debating it. My interest has been to see : ” if tecoych can demonstrate any work of his big brain mass, but not only of a minuscule part of it”.

And what you doing in this interesting debate?

1. You demonstrate that your part is still working and it has normal and grey color and smell, in difference from the substance exerted by Cephus, and you can understand my English. But in the same time you blow your NO COMPEHEDE cover! Thus you expose that you understood my post, but did not have any intellectual ability to reply to it, could not use your brain mass. So far you I don’t see your mass ever working, I doubt if anyone except for Cephus, sees, but then I doubt you would like to be just on slightly higher level than any shi.it head.

2. You correct my English and return my paper. It is clear to anyone that any middle school teacher can do the same, - it requires no brain work. Again, your mass is ventilating. Moreover, you correct it on the level of no higher than a middle school. I did not type “”, and” but “. And”’ in order to take a short pause and see the effect the first blow at the point. And this is how I like to finish my kill, taking a pause of enjoyment before the last blow. At least you could put a hope on your understanding of English, and that a good fighter, sorry, author may have his own style. I am not Dostoyevsky who can never end a sentence, I have my own style. You have blown even your hope on English, Mr. Spellchecker.

3. You are inviting me to a debate not even understanding that you and I are already debating a topic of my interest. It is no brainer, but you miss. If you want to contact the powers to take this topic to another place it is OK with me. But so far you have been persistently demonstrating that the most part of your brain has only air going through. How many more chances do you need? Normally I give no more than 3. You already at 5 or 6…
 
The subject has already been picked and you have already been debating it. My interest has been to see : " if tecoyah can demonstrate any work of his big brain mass, but not only of a minuscule part of it”.

And what are you doing in this interesting debate?

1. You demonstrate that your part is still working and it has normal and grey color and smell, in difference from the substance exerted by Cephus, and you can understand my English.I think I understood this part(you are checking to see if I can comprehend your broken English) But in atthe same time you blow your NO COMPEHNEDE cover! Thus you exposeexposing that you understood my post, but did not have anythe intellectual ability to reply to it, could not use your brain mass. So far you I don’t see your mass ever working(sorry, no correcting this one), I doubt if anyone except for Cephus, sees, but then I doubt you would like to be just onon a slightly higher level than any shi.it head.

Ok...almost acceptable, and close to understandable. Basically you are calling me a dumbsh!t, and blowing Cephus....Got it.

2. You correct my English and return my paper. It is clear to anyone that any middle school teacher can do the same, - it requires no brain work.( and yet, I need to do it in order to understand you, I am simply pointing out the mental requirement for this process) Again, your mass is ventilating(WTF). Moreover, you correct it on the level of no higher than a middle school. I did not type “”, and” but “. And”’ in order to take a short pause and see the effect the first blow at the point. And this is how I like to finish my kill, taking a pause of enjoyment before the last blow. At least you could put asome? hope on your understanding of English, and that a good fighter, sorry, author may have his own style. I am not Dostoyevsky who can never end a sentence, I have my own style. You have blown even your hope on English, Mr. Spellchecker.
Uh....OK....Thanks for that...heh

3. You are inviting me to a debate not even understanding that you and I are already debating a topic of my interest. It is no brainer, but you miss it. If you want to contact the powers to take this topic to another place it is OK with me. But so far you have been persistently demonstrating that the mostbiggest? part of your brain has only air going through. How many more chances do you need? Normally I give no more than 3. You already at 5 or 6…

Ok...now we can begin:

Is there a god?

As of yet, no quantifiable evidence has been put forth and linked with observation that suggests a supreme being exists. Large populations of individuals claim to have experienced some form of divine inspiration, action, or involvement but there has yet to be a defined and proven physical observation showing such an entity exists in this reality to my knowledge.
If indeed such a study, paper, or verified observation exists, and I am simply unaware I request the data be provided that I might gain a new perspective, and continue this debate. Please, reply to the information and opinion of this post, rather than the individual making it.
 
Ok...now we can begin:

Is there a god?

As of yet, no quantifiable evidence has been put forth and linked with observation that suggests a supreme being exists. Large populations of individuals claim to have experienced some form of divine inspiration, action, or involvement but there has yet to be a defined and proven physical observation showing such an entity exists in this reality to my knowledge.
If indeed such a study, paper, or verified observation exists, and I am simply unaware I request the data be provided that I might gain a new perspective, and continue this debate. Please, reply to the information and opinion of this post, rather than the individual making it.

You know what, I will debate your topic at 2 conditions:
1.ONLY if you promise that you will correcting my English each time as you have done here, and if you care to try to do it a little bit more obvious for me. But if you skip your work ever I will stop immediately.
2. If you let me PM to you some of my posts to others for clening, when I feel them to be more or less important.

And also wait until i am done with editing.

And give me some time, i was planning to get back to my own things. But i will get back to you, and we will go. The only thing that you would have to bear with me , - it may take me a day or 2 for a reply, - I am getting my work load back.

Do we have a deal?
 
You know what, I will debate your topic [I]at[/I]on 2 conditions:
1.ONLY if you promise that you will continue correcting my English each time, as you have done here, and if you care towould try to do it in a way a little bit more obvious forto me. But if you skip your work evercontribution, I will stop immediately.
2. If you let me PM to you some of my posts to others for cleaning, when I feel them to be more or less important. Agreed

And also wait until i am done with editing.

also agreed


And give me some time, iI was planning to get back to my own things. But iI will get back to you, and we will go. The only thing that you would have to bear with me on is , - it may take me a day or 2 for a reply, - I am getting my work load back.

Do we have a deal?

Yes-please PM me when you are ready to begin.

Note my pattern of correction:

Italics= item to be removed

Bold= correction


Damn....all quoted messages are italic anyway...going forward all items to be removed will be underlined
 
OK. We have run a pilot test, and I see a little problem. Instead of making things obvious for me you are rather confusing me. Of course, I understand it is not your intent. I get confused when in one line you put my mistake, your correction, your explanation, and your comment on my statement. So, I suggest the following format. I make a post ‘’originally posted by justone in broken English”. When you reply to an opponent you normally quote your opponent. So, you quote me in the same way, except in your quote broken English would be already brought to the condition of acceptable English. You just underline the places where you had to make corrections. So instead of “And give me some time, iI was planning to get back to my own things. But iI will get back to you, and we will go. The only thing that you would have to bear with me on is’ ’ , you would do ''And give me some time, I was planning to get back to my own things. But I will get back to you, and we will go. The only thing that you would have to bear with me on is’’ I would be able to compare with my original post and hopefully learn something. Or I would ask you what is “on is ’’? Also you do not have to correct each i for I, even native English speakers mistype and sometime, like mikhail, intentionally. I do not want to make you to do more work than needed.
Then under the quote “’originally posted by justone and translated by tecoyah” you make your replay.

If you are ready to give it a shot, I am ready.
 
OK. We have run a pilot test, and I see a little problem. Instead of making things obvious for me you are rather confusing me. Of course, I understand it is not your intent. I get confused when in one line you put my mistake, your correction, your explanation, and your comment on my statement. So, I suggest the following format. I make a post ‘’originally posted by justone in broken English”. When you reply to an opponent you normally quote your opponent. So, you quote me in the same way, except in your quote broken English would be already brought to the condition of acceptable English. You just underline the places where you had to make corrections. So instead of “And give me some time, iI was planning to get back to my own things. But iI will get back to you, and we will go. The only thing that you would have to bear with me on is’ ’ , you would do ''And give me some time, I was planning to get back to my own things. But I will get back to you, and we will go. The only thing that you would have to bear with me on is’’ I would be able to compare with my original post and hopefully learn something. Or I would ask you what is “on is ’’? Also you do not have to correct each i for I, even native English speakers mistype and sometime, like mikhail, intentionally. I do not want to make you to do more work than needed.
Then under the quote “’originally posted by justone and translated by tecoyah” you make your replay.

If you are ready to give it a shot, I am ready.
:fyi:
They have a "PREVIEW" option so you can view your post before its put up for everyone to see. Make the sad little programmer happy and use that function that he slaved away for hours on end.

PS - I used the preview button myself before posting this.:shock:
 
As of yet, no quantifiable evidence has been put forth and linked with observation that suggests a supreme being exists.

It is not true. As the matter of fact I have quoted the evidence linked with observation many times. I quoted St. Aquinas (the real one), who based his evidence strictly on observations. Each time I asked atheists to disprove the observations. Each time they just demonstrated their incapability even to understand Aquinas. Each time they just demonstrated their incapability in math and physics. Each time they expressed their blind religious belief that Aquinas had been disproved by somebody somehow. I said: if it is so, please go ahead and quote the disproof, there is nothing that could be easier for you to do. Instead, you, gays, only demonstrated that you had no clue. The truth is that Aquinas is talking as a physicist and mathematician, and one has to know math in order to understand what he is saying. As to my knowledge, no mathematician has ever put forth an attempt to disproof Aquinas in the field of physics and math, because it is well established in this field that observations cannot be disproved. I am aware of a few poets in history who decided that they disproved Aquinas, but you would not make me to take them seriously, would you? Thus, you are wrong; the evidence has been put forth for you.

I’ve stopped quoting Aquinas, because physics does not end on him and because I’ve tried to make the evidence as simple as possible. The result has been the same, -when it comes to math and physics you make me laugh louder than you laugh at my English, and I all I have been doing is pointing to mistakes, in the best case scenario. In the worst case scenario I could not even point to mistakes, because it was not even broken English, there was no English there to correct.

Let me try to make it simple for you again.

In physics we are assuming that we live in reality and all things around us are real. The sun is as real for you as it is for me. We use numbers in order to quantify all reality around us. We use all numbers we know - 1,2,3,4…., n, ∞, and whatever numbers can be between 1 and 2, between 3 and 4 etc. We draw laws of physics from our observations of repeated behavior of objects of reality. We are assuming that all similar objects behavior in the similar way everywhere, - according to the law of universality of laws (if I translate the name correctly). It does not matter that we have not observed the far edges of the universe; we follow the law telling that physical laws over there are not different from the laws on the earth for the same objects.

We say that all material objects can be described by the equation E=MC^2.
Any object has a mass M= E/C^2, any object has energy E=M/C^2.
For instance if E=1,2,3,4,5…n, M=1,2,3,4,5…n/299,792,458 ^2 .
Put any number in the equation and you will know M, - except, - if you put in ∞.
If M=∞, C=√∞/E =∞ whatever is the number you suggest for E. Even if you suggest E=∞, C= ∞/∞ = uncertainty. But in the equation C = 299,792,458; it is neither ∞, nor uncertainty.
Thus, we have established the limits of the reality where our equations render to be useful, while at the same time, we have found that there is the reality where all our equations render to be useless. The quantification of that part reality is ∞. If to compare the part #1 of reality which accepts our laws with the part #2 of realty which does not except our laws, and if to say that the part #1 is as small as a proton, and if to say that the part #2 is a big as our whole universe, it would be a huge over blow of #1 out of all proportions.

You can put your head in the sand, you can put shores on your eyes, you can ignore this reality, but you cannot convince me to live my life with MY head in the sand. You can ignore it like it has nothing to numbers in math, but obviously math says otherwise. You can ignore it like it has nothing to do to laws of physics, but obviously physics say otherwise. You can ignore it like it is insignificantly small if to compare to our universe, but obviously you cannot calculate.

As an atheist you fear the reality and prefer to escape from the reality into your little world of fantasies.

We, Christians, are not obligated to ignore math and physics, like you do. We do not have to ignore the part #2 of reality, and we are not obligated to make ourselves to pretend that it does not exist, like you do. Instead of running away from reality, imagining that it does not exist and imposing the fearful imagination on others we live in reality and deal with reality. We call the part of reality which does not except our laws, “G-d”, and we deal with it.

Math says that there is infinity; the Christian doctrine drawn from the Bible says that G-d is infinite.

Math says ∞ does not change; however far we go in our universe, it remains the same. ∞ - n = ∞, where n=however far we go and whatever is the year on our calendar. The Christian doctrine drawn from the Bible says G-d is unchangeable.


Physics knows that there is the reality where laws of physics render to be worthless, at the same time, because all reality is connected (according to physics), our reality does not stop at the edge in the way the flat earth sitting on the 4 elephants stops at the edge. The Christian doctrine also sees no reason to make the earth flat and stop at the edge, and pretend that there is nothing behind the edge. Christians also know G-d is real.



Physics says that we cannot draw our physical laws from that reality, so we have to limit ourselves and not to try to go beyond the limits. The Christian doctrine also says that G-d incomprehensible. ‘’The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible,’’ - Einstein. ”The most comprehensible thing about G-d is that he is incomprehensible.’’, - the Christian doctrine.

It is obvious that this reality is present in math and numbers as well as in the methodology of physics. ∞ is present in math. In physics we do not consider one thing can possibly have no relation to all others, - that would be against the established methodology of physics. In physics we see this reality present in the methodology of physics. In the Christian doctrine we also say that G-d is present in our part #1 of reality.

I have informed you about a few fundamental positions of the Christian doctrine as we draw it from the Bible. I have informed you about a few fundamental positions of math and physics. It is not a matter of my opinion. You can bring my math and physics to any mathematician and physicist to check. You can bring my Christian doctrine to any pastor/priest to check. The Christian doctrine has exactly the same foundation as math and science and it says exactly the same things as math and physics.

If any other religion, Hindu or Buddha, or FSM has a foundation in physics and math, or, at least, if it does not contradict physics and math, it may be considered. But, as the matter of fact, only Christianity stands on the firm foundation. As an example, the religion of atheism is the religion of ignorance. When atheists challenge Christianity they either request to conduct operations that are not allowed in math, or demand to extend the laws of physics beyond the limits where they are meant to work, or they challenge anything else, but not the Christian doctrine, or often they do it altogether in one post.



I know beyond any reasonable doubt, not only as the matter of my personal experience, but as the matter of understanding physics and math, that God is real, infinite, incomprehensible, unchangeable, and present as the Bible teaches me. (Of course he is not only that, but I cannot write 25 pages in one post struggling with my English and keyboarding).


You may have questions about other positions of the Christian doctrine, but you should be aware of 2 things. 1. I have provided you with more than enough of scientific and mathematical evidence drawn from observations. As long as I am correct, no question from outside of the given consideration, like ‘’what is about intellect?’’ can be an argument against the consideration, because such a question would require an extension of the present consideration, and that is against rules of math, and 2. I cannot inform you about the whole doctrine; it would take a life, not even mentioning that if to count my struggle with English and keyboarding, it would take 3 lives. The methodology has been presented to you; you can go further on you own.

Large populations of individuals claim to have experienced some form of divine inspiration, action, or involvement but there has yet to be a defined and proven physical observation showing such an entity exists in this reality to my knowledge.
If indeed such a study, paper, or verified observation exists, and I am simply unaware I request the data be provided that I might gain a new perspective, and continue this debate.

You see how difficult it is to make out your request. Do you request a study convincing you that reality exists? Do you request to apply laws of physics in the field, where they are not meant to be applied? Do you want an article of physics quantifying inspiration? The problem is, in physics and math they don’t make such papers, and I have no desire to break rules of math and physics in the way atheists break them in science. My atheistic teachers trained me in math and physics only and I have no qualification in science. I tried science a few times, but I had to realize that the world of sheer fantasies and self inflicted delirium is not for me. May be it is also because my butt still remembers my atheistic teachers whipping it hard for any attempt of a fantasy. But, of course, the feelings of my butt do not prevent you from informing me what your science says on the subject. So, what is exactly your request?



Please, reply to the information and opinion of this post, rather than the individual making it.
So, what exactly can be called the information in your post?
What is exactly your opinion? That G-d does not exist because there are no articles published in science convincing you that he exists?
 
[blah blah blah]... I know beyond any reasonable doubt, not only as the matter of my personal experience, but as the matter of understanding physics and math, that God is real, infinite, incomprehensible, unchangeable, and present as the Bible teaches me. (Of course he is not only that, but I cannot write 25 pages in one post struggling with my English and keyboarding).
If something is "infinite, incomprehensible, and unchangeable" then how do you know what that something is? You say you know because the Bible says so, but you can't know the Bible is true because it would take knowing something that is "infinite, incomprehensible, and unchangeable" to prove it. Seems your logic has put you in a bind. You are stuck with the presumption that either the Bible or the existence of your God is true to hold your position.

In the same logic, I could presume the flying spaghetti monster (fsm) is real then the "Bible of the fsm" would be valid. You see the problem yet?
 
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It is not true. As the matter of fact I have quoted the evidence linked with observation many times. I quoted St. Aquinas (the real one), who based his evidence strictly on observations. Each time I asked atheists to disprove the observations. Each time they just demonstrated their incapability even to understand Aquinas. Each time they just demonstrated their incapability in math and physics. Each time they expressed their blind religious belief that Aquinas had been disproved by somebody somehow. I said: if it is so, please go ahead and quote the disproof, there is nothing that could be easier for you to do....................._SNIP_opinion? That G-d does not exist because there are no articles published in science convincing you that he exists?

OK...I am convinced that infinity and God are the same thing, and I can never know either one....you win.
 
If something is "infinite, incomprehensible, and unchangeable" then how do you know what that something is? You say you know because the Bible says so, but you can't know the Bible is true because it would take knowing something that is "infinite, incomprehensible, and unchangeable" to prove it. Seems your logic has put you in a bind. You are stuck with the presumption that either the Bible or the existence of your God is true to hold your position.

In the same logic, I could presume the flying spaghetti monster (fsm) is real then the "Bible of the fsm" would be valid. You see the problem yet?
It does not matter what I say; it does not even matter that you don’t understand what I say; the matter is that you cannot even repeat what I say. When you cannot repeat what is typed on piece of papers in front of you looking at the paper it may be a sign of a serious brain damage.
 
OK...SNIP_opinion


I am convinced that infinity and God are the same thing, and I can never know either one....you win.

I did not really think that there could be a real chance to bring you out of your permanent state of intellectual coma, but I hoped you could help me with English. Well, it did not work.

Thank you for your scientific opinion that:

Mathematical equations are the matter of personal opinion.
The sum of 2+2 is the matter of personal opinion.
Red and apples are the same thing.
5 and men.are the same thing
Infinity and god. are the same thing

Thank you for demonstrating all abilities of your sheer intellect to the quests. You are a truly unusual specie.

Now go back into your forest.










No banana today. You did not do the main part of work.
 
Large populations of individuals claim to have experienced some form of divine inspiration, action, or involvement <snip>

I am one of those people. It was henceforth revealed to me that the source of my divine inspiration, action, and involvement was LSD.

Therefore I conclude that LSD is god.
 
It does not matter what I say; it does not even matter that you don’t understand what I say; the matter is that you cannot even repeat what I say. When you cannot repeat what is typed on piece of papers in front of you looking at the paper it may be a sign of a serious brain damage.
You didn't even try to counter any of the points I made. You just blabbered with an ad hominem attack. This is evidence that your position is weak. You have desperately resorted to red herrings.

Please, try again. This time explain either WHY my reasoning is wrong or HOW I misunderstood your argument and WHERE I did such. This will be your introduction to DEBATING 101.

"If something is "infinite, incomprehensible, and unchangeable" then how do you know what that something is? You say you know because the Bible says so, but you can't know the Bible is true because it would take knowing something that is "infinite, incomprehensible, and unchangeable" to prove it. Seems your logic has put you in a bind. You are stuck with the presumption that either the Bible or the existence of your God is true to hold your position.

In the same logic, I could presume the flying spaghetti monster (fsm) is real then the "Bible of the fsm" would be valid. You see the problem yet?"
 
A decent God would not want you to either believe in him nor worship him. He would want you to use your own mind and never grovel. Then perhaps he would be pleased with you.
 
You didn't even try to counter any of the points I made. You just blabbered with an ad hominem attack. This is evidence that your position is weak. You have desperately resorted to red herrings.

Please, try again. This time explain either WHY my reasoning is wrong or HOW I misunderstood your argument and WHERE I did such. This will be your introduction to DEBATING 101.

"If something is "infinite, incomprehensible, and unchangeable" then how do you know what that something is? You say you know because the Bible says so, but you can't know the Bible is true because it would take knowing something that is "infinite, incomprehensible, and unchangeable" to prove it. Seems your logic has put you in a bind. You are stuck with the presumption that either the Bible or the existence of your God is true to hold your position.

In the same logic, I could presume the flying spaghetti monster (fsm) is real then the "Bible of the fsm" would be valid. You see the problem yet?"
I don’t have to give considerations to any point which has nothing to do to the points expressed by me.

I don’t have to give considerations to any point which has nothing to do to the points expressed by me.

I don’t have to give considerations to any point which has nothing to do to the points expressed by me, especially when you start your point from an ad hom attack on my points and dismiss all my points as blah, blah, blah without giving any reason,

and then you attack my conclusion which is solely based on blah, blah, blah,

and then you think that you can do such things in an intelligent conversation.

Such thinking of yours, that you, only because you are an atheist, can do such things in an intelligent conversation is a sign of a possible brain damage.

Then when you are attacking one of my conclusions based on blah, blah, blah you can lie 25 more times putting any kind of garbage after your words ‘’You say”, I do not see any reason for me to argue for or against something I do not say.

And in the very end of the chain of the events caused by your possible brain damage, I do not see a reason to point one more time to my post where I exactly, clearly, explicitly, obviously invite FSM to meet requirements and join the club. Since I had already answered FSM in my post, to prevent some standard stupid questions, I see no reason to quote myself because, and here I may quote myself:

[QUOTE ]
justone said:
It does not matter what I say; it does not even matter that you don’t understand what I say; the matter is that you cannot even repeat what I say.
[/QUOTE]
 
It does not matter what I say; it does not even matter that you don’t understand what I say; the matter is that you cannot even repeat what I say. When you cannot repeat what is typed on piece of papers in front of you looking at the paper it may be a sign of a serious brain damage.

Repeat after me.

God is not real.

Did you repeat it? Can you repeat what I say?

I must have missed the part where you proved your position? Could you restate it? Post a link? I'm eager to find it- it must have disappeared from the thread.

Will you listen to me? Will you respond? Will you use your typical defense- calling me brain-dead as to not help me understand you? The mystery is intriguing. The way you prove the existence of an imperceptible, infinite, conscious being who did everything described in the Bible while at the same time remaining incomprehensible to humans- I need to experience it.

Or, as an atheist chimp, would I be unable to understand you?

I don't think I'm brain-dead. Maybe I'm typing this in a coma. Maybe I'm not thinking at all, but typing in a dream. Maybe you can say something I can dream-respond to- I've never seen you post anything other than statements calling others brain-dead or idiots for disagreeing with your impenetrable, imperceptible positions.

Go ahead. Prove it. I'll take you apart, or I'll show you once and for all that the FSM, or even myself (you can't see me, you can't experience me, you can't percieve my true form) fits into your idea of a god.

Bring it.
 
Repeat after me.

God is not real.

Did you repeat it? Can you repeat what I say?

I must have missed the part where you proved your position? Could you restate it? Post a link? I'm eager to find it- it must have disappeared from the thread.

Will you listen to me? Will you respond? Will you use your typical defense- calling me brain-dead as to not help me understand you? The mystery is intriguing. The way you prove the existence of an imperceptible, infinite, conscious being who did everything described in the Bible while at the same time remaining incomprehensible to humans- I need to experience it.

Or, as an atheist chimp, would I be unable to understand you?

I don't think I'm brain-dead. Maybe I'm typing this in a coma. Maybe I'm not thinking at all, but typing in a dream. Maybe you can say something I can dream-respond to- I've never seen you post anything other than statements calling others brain-dead or idiots for disagreeing with your impenetrable, imperceptible positions.

Go ahead. Prove it. I'll take you apart, or I'll show you once and for all that the FSM, or even myself (you can't see me, you can't experience me, you can't percieve my true form) fits into your idea of a god.

Bring it.

When it takes an individual so many lines just to inform the public about the simple fact that the individual cannot produce a single objection or even a question related to my post #242, the only conclusion that can be made is that the lines have been produced in a state of a dream. There is absolutely no need for the individual to inform that he is not thinking. Not thinking comes with atheism as good as it comes with a state of a dream. Consistent and persistent escape into a state of a dream inevitably brings a permanent damage to the brain an individual. Then we have to observe with all our sorrow and grievance how the individual voluntarily chooses the path leading back to the forest.



Sure, you are god, and Napoleon, and Machiavelli, and the Queen of England.

No objections can be made.
 
When it takes an individual so many lines just to inform the public about the simple fact that the individual cannot produce a single objection or even a question related to my post #242, the only conclusion that can be made is that the lines have been produced in a state of a dream. There is absolutely no need for the individual to inform that he is not thinking. Not thinking comes with atheism as good as it comes with a state of a dream. Consistent and persistent escape into a state of a dream inevitably brings a permanent damage to the brain an individual. Then we have to observe with all our sorrow and grievance how the individual voluntarily chooses the path leading back to the forest.



Sure, you are god, and Napoleon, and Machiavelli, and the Queen of England.

No objections can be made.

The path to the forest starts when the mystics preach that reality and logic cannot prove them incorrect.

You say logic is no factor in a debate on your god. What can be expressed freely is belief. I believe there is no god, especially as the Bible describes. You believe the opposite, and say that god is immesurable and infinite. So is my disbelief. So is the FSM. A debate on my terms would bring me (or Tecoyah, or Lachean) victory. A debate on your terms cannot have a measurable, determined result, and must always end in a tie (or have two outcomes at once).

This must be a tie. I'll continue to believe I won, and my reality will be shaped as such. If you weren't such a dogmatic logic-denier, perhaps you could post something that could actually be responded to.

I read your posts, then looked all over the thread for one that explained Aquinas's principles. I failed in my search. Your position, summarized:

God cannot be explained with logic. God is infinity, defined in your terms. Since infinity requres all possibilities, your possibility must be true. As someone who agreed with your possibility 'discovered' this 'truth', your side is the most correct.

Here's my infinite Occam's Razor: Whatever explanation of the realms of infinity is simplest, is correct.

The Christian explanation is complex. The atheist position is simple: nothing exists that matters to us beyond our perception, since it has nothing to do with us and can't be percieved. It will never, and has never, mattered to us. Anyone who believes otherwise is silly and misguided.

We win.
 
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