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Is the Universe Expanding?

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After FireFly's post I did some Googling. (Don't you love that new verb? :) ) There are plenty of websites supporting this.

Why don't you explain why you don't agree?

Quantity of websites and personal opinions is not the answer.

Show the evidence.
 
Just FYI, when scientists talk about things such as "the size of the universe" or "the universe is expanding" they're talking about the stars and galaxies. The physical universe - all the stuff



Science is not complete. Not every theory and not even every generally accepted theory can be properly modeled, in most cases we simply do not know enough about the universe. In some the task of simulation would be so gargantuan as to defy computation. In neither case is the theory inherently flawed or wrong, it is simply not well-developed or is incomplete. That's the nature of science, it's a constantly shifting and expanding viewpoint, not a monolithic, complete answer. That doesn't mean it sucks

Your reply shows your ignorance about what is a theory and what is a hypothesis.

A hypothesis is an idea which involves anything, it won't matter how ridiculous or serious is the idea about something, the hypothesis accepts any thought without rules.

A theory of science is an attempt to explain a phenomenon which is a consequence of another phenomenon of the same class having as a requirewment that this primeval phenomenon must be factual.

In other words, if you don't have a factual starting point, then you don't have a theory of science but you have a hypothesis only.

The expanding universe "theory" sucks, but the good news for you is that you can talk as much as you want about an expanding universe "hypothesis" only.

Comprende?
 
Quantity of websites and personal opinions is not the answer.

Show the evidence.

Sorry for any confusion. I was agreeing with FireFly.

I did my research. You need to do yours.
 
Do you have any reasons why you're saying that Tashah cheated people out of money or are you just lashing out at somebody who disagrees with you?

She is jealous of Tashah's popularity and beauty. ;)
 
I've told you before. You have a computer. If you want disagreement with any of your postulates, the online physics department of any major univerity will suffice as will Physical Review-D, The Astrophysical Journal, Nature, SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System, SDSS, SNAP, etc. There are also innumerable academic or generalized books available for your perusal at any public or university library. Have at it.


Even if to imagine that zealous priests of cosmology elbowed and cheated out physics from all major universities and started issuing degrees to bimbos, there should be some places where physics is still in power and bimbos are used as bimbos.

The grim priests can burn
1. Lord Kelvin I quoted and referred to,
2. Abbe G. Lemaitre I refered to and
3. quoted,
4. Einstein and Maxwell I referred to,
5. Newton I do always refer to, -
but,
as none of the above would give 2 cents to a bimbo attempting to fly with velocities exceeding the speed of light,
I do not give 2 cents to any hypothetical disagreement you are sending me to investigate, like you send the audience to investigate the hypothetical dark energy. I live in the material world.

The call was: you have it, - bring it on.
You have brought what you could and you have not moved even a hair away from the simple algorithm I wrote for you and conquer. Like a winded doll you keep on sliding up and down on the same rod.

The fundamental laws and rules of physics cannot be overrun by charlatans and bimbos.
I’ve told you before I do not declare my education, I apply it.


Priests of cosmology and their bimbos speak to audience from above, they use fuzzy language to make heads to blow and hearts to beat, they call the audience to investigate and invest in dark energy. They don’t take any questions from the audience; instead they point their fingers to sacred skies of sacred libraries of Cosmological theology and to some higher wisdom empowering them.

Thank you, sweetie, for proving my point.
 
Your reply shows your ignorance about what is a theory and what is a hypothesis.

A hypothesis is an idea which involves anything, it won't matter how ridiculous or serious is the idea about something, the hypothesis accepts any thought without rules.
Not in mathematical physics. Absolutely not. Not even in Cosmetology.
A theory of science is an attempt to explain a phenomenon which is a consequence of another phenomenon of the same class having as a requirewment that this primeval phenomenon must be factual.

It is like to say ‘’fact must be factual.’’

The expanding universe "theory" sucks, but the good news for you is that you can talk as much as you want about an expanding universe "hypothesis" only.

There is another suggestion, that the universe does not expand at all, such a suggestion in proofs of its variants either contradicts or does not take in account basic laws of physics we use on the earth for practical purposes (unless you have some new laws for physics). How do you want us to look at the universe? Like you, with the head in the sand?



Comprende?
 
She is jealous of Tashah's popularity and beauty. ;)


Who is ”she”?

Where do you see beauty?

What statistic of popularity are you using?

Obama is very popular, would you like to be like an Obama, are you jealous?

If Paris Hilton came on DP to debate politics and physics of the universe wouldn’t she top Tashah in beauty and popularity?
Would you be jealous or rather entertained?

Jealousy is something between Tashahas and Parises; justone is a man, a very straight male.
 
Sorry for any confusion. I was agreeing with FireFly.

I did my research. You need to do yours.


I did it.

Result: No evidence that the universe is expanding.

Prove me wrong with your evidence.
 
I did it.

Result: No evidence that the universe is expanding.

Prove me wrong with your evidence.

The historical origins of the theory (contains the simplest example of evidence)

Source [NASA.gov | How Fast is the Universe Expanding?]

In the 1920s, Edwin Hubble, using the newly constructed 100" telescope at Mount Wilson Observatory, detected variable stars in several nebulae. Nebulae are diffuse objects whose nature was a topic of heated debate in the astronomical community: were they interstellar clouds in our own Milky Way galaxy, or whole galaxies outside our galaxy? This was a difficult question to answer because it is notoriously difficult to measure the distance to most astronomical bodies since there is no point of reference for comparison. Hubble's discovery was revolutionary because these variable stars had a characteristic pattern resembling a class of stars called Cepheid variables. Earlier, Henrietta Levitt, part of a group of female astronomers working at Harvard College Observatory, had shown there was a tight correlation between the period of a Cepheid variable star and its luminosity (intrinsic brightness). By knowing the luminosity of a source it is possible to measure the distance to that source by measuring how bright it appears to us: the dimmer it appears the farther away it is. Thus, by measuring the period of these stars (and hence their luminosity) and their apparent brightness, Hubble was able to show that these nebula were not clouds within our own Galaxy, but were external galaxies far beyond the edge of our own Galaxy.

Hubble's second revolutionary discovery was based on comparing his measurements of the Cepheid-based galaxy distance determinations with measurements of the relative velocities of these galaxies. He showed that more distant galaxies were moving away from us more rapidly:

v = Hod

where v is the speed at which a galaxy moves away from us, and d is its distance. The constant of proportionality Ho is now called the Hubble constant. The common unit of velocity used to measure the speed of a galaxy is km/sec, while the most common unit of for measuring the distance to nearby galaxies is called the Megaparsec (Mpc) which is equal to 3.26 million light years or 30,800,000,000,000,000,000 km! Thus the units of the Hubble constant are (km/sec)/Mpc.

This discovery marked the beginning of the modern age of cosmology. Today, Cepheid variables remain one of the best methods for measuring distances to galaxies and are vital to determining the expansion rate (the Hubble constant) and age of the universe.
 
I did it.

Result: No evidence that the universe is expanding.


Prove me wrong with your evidence.

Wow. I wonder what you're looking at. The proof is all over the place.
You could look at Kernel Sanders' links for a start.
 
Originally posted by justone
Who is ”she”?

You

Where do you see beauty?

Everywhere and nowhere

What statistic of popularity are you using?

General Assessment

Obama is very popular, would you like to be like an Obama, are you jealous?

I am popular for who I am.
He is popular for an illusionary reasons.

If Paris Hilton came on DP to debate politics and physics of the universe wouldn’t she top Tashah in beauty and popularity?

Paris is a dog.
She has a wierd nose and is a skinny twig.
Kinda gross.

Tashah studied and works within the field of physics.
So does my dad. I confirm some of the things that she says with him
He works in the field of Electro Optics. Detectors and Focal Planes.
I am confident in his assessment far more than anything that you might look up on wikipedia.

Would you be jealous or rather entertained?

Entertained by hearing Paris trying to explain physics when she can barely explain things that she supposedly actually "knows".

Jealousy is something between Tashahas and Parises; justone is a man, a very straight male.

Get out of town.
You are no male.
A man doesn't carry on with the characteristics that you display.
Stop playing.
 
Get out of town.
You are no male.
A man doesn't carry on with the characteristics that you display.
Stop playing.

It might be inappropriate, but this was funny. :mrgreen:
 
Everywhere and nowhere
Delusion… OK
General Assessment
Another delusion..
I am popular for who I am.
He is popular for an illusionary reasons.

He is for illusion, you are for delusion. I thought Tashah was popular, it seems it is all about you.
Paris is a dog.
She has a wierd nose and is a skinny twig.
Kinda gross.

She is not in my taste, but many disagree with us.

Tashah studied and works within the field of physics.

It is not true, according to her, - within the field of Cosmology. But, anyway, so?

So does my dad. I confirm some of the things that she says with him
He works in the field of Electro Optics. Detectors and Focal Planes.

I do not recall her saying too much if anything here.
Does he have at least Master’s? Did you give him this particular debate to read? What are his words? Though I do not expect any honesty from you.., but…
I am confident in his assessment far more than anything that you might look up on wikipedia.
This is the way to go if he at least has Master’s.
Entertained by hearing Paris trying to explain physics when she can barely explain things that she supposedly actually "knows".
Exactly - she can barely explain things that she supposedly actually "knows"- , but at least she trying and taking questions.
Get out of town.
You are no male.
A man doesn't carry on with the characteristics that you display.
Stop playing.

Jump again.
Never was in your town never had an interest to visit. Are they all like you there?
I am all correct. If Tashah is a bimbo, I am correct; if she is not a bimbo she will see that I am all correct.
If I was sure she was a bimbo I would give her my chest to cry on. If I see one tear in her eye.
What does make you so sure she is a bimbo, that you are jumping out of your pants? Do you see tears?
 
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Very appropriate at certain assumptions, but not funny. You are desparate. And that is inappropriate.

Could you try to insult me more coherently next time.

Thanks. :2wave:
 
Delusion… OK

Language Pattern Analysis, actually.


Another delusion..

Interesting response, though defensive.


He is for illusion, you are for delusion. I thought Tashah was popular, it seems it is all about you.

I have talked about Obama, Tashah and my dad, yet you interpret this as being all about me?
Interesting... are you really jealous. Look within.


She is not in my taste, but many disagree with us.

Ok.
True.



It is not true, according to her, - within the field of Cosmology. But, anyway, so?

Yeah, and physics and astrophysics have come to play a central role in Cosmology.



I do not recall her saying too much if anything here.
Does he have at least Master’s? Did you give him this particular debate to read? What are his words? Though I do not expect any honesty from you.., but…

Double Ph.D. Air Force and Pentagon think tank consultants. Highly specialized.
No reason to share, thus no need to attack integrity.


This is the way to go if he at least has Master’s.

Damn boy, I have a freaking Masters along with multiple other degrees.


Exactly - she can barely explain things that she supposedly actually "knows"- , but at least she trying and taking questions.

Interesting. Your field is?


Jump again.
Never was in your town never had an interest to visit. Are they all like you there?

My towns are the center of the Universe.
OC, LA and SF


I am all correct. If Tashah is a bimbo, I am correct; if she is not a bimbo she will see that I am all correct.

Is this English?


If I was sure she was a bimbo I would give her my chest to cry on. If I see one tear in her eye.
What does make you so sure she is a bimbo, that you are jumping out of your pants? Do you see tears?

Nice. The ol' "put words into the others mouth to set them on the defensive" move! :lol:

You are offering nothing of substance, just dancing to my tune. Interesting and telling indeed.

:2wave:
 
[My field and my degrees can be seen in my posts related. They have no other meaning for me. As well your degrees are seen in your posts related to the expanding universe and the heat death. As well Tashah’s degree has no other meaning for me.


As you started, you keep on following the same short algorithm I wrote for Tashah and conquer.
Here we go again:

Once again you loudly and proudly display your ignorance of both higher education and scientific research. Lol. Petty jealousy is so unbecomming and uncouth justone.
Sure, so much about the expanding universe and logic.

The difference is that I feel like giving a hug to Tashah for such a defense, when you don’t deserve even a boot under your butt.

What are the fields where they give degrees to male bimbos? It is not even Cosmology for sure. History? Social science?

So much about the expanding universe.
 
P.S.

As the posters above have been so far away from the topic, I may have to remind to those who are interested in the topic - I never argued against the Doppler effect Tashah was referring to. Not even one word. It was not nor it could be the reason that ticked me off, not at all.
 
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P.S.

As the posters above have been so far away from the topic, I may have to remind to those who are interested in the topic - I never argued against the Doppler effect Tashah was referring to. Not even one word. It was not nor it could be the reason that ticked me off, not at all.

I gave you an option...
One of two steps, both designed, and predictably, you chose the easy step. :(

:2wave:
 
I gave you an option...
One of two steps, both designed, and predictably, you chose the easy step. :(

:2wave:

I have no clue what you are trying to say and what relation it can have to my post quoted. I have tried to build a few hypotheses, - and all of them have made me laugh before I could finish . It seems you will not care to explain.You are quite special. I am not angry at you anymore.
 
I have no clue what you are trying to say and what relation it can have to my post quoted. I have tried to build a few hypotheses, - and all of them have made me laugh before I could finish . It seems you will not care to explain.You are quite special. I am not angry at you anymore.

I have orchestrated this conversation so that it would best coincide with your LPA Tendencies...
You are dancing the steps that I have layed out, but it now seems that you are confused...

You are laughing about what you admittedly don't understand and you further admit that you were actually angry? :shock:

hmmmm.... what to do, what to do?

How do I get this to a level that you might understand and remain completely off topic as you insist on doing, yet refraining from petty personal and insultive character assissination attempts such as you?

Oh! I got it...

I saw your mamma kickin a tin can down the street the other day and I asked her what she was doin... and she said, "moving".

Drum roll please!

:2wave:

Look, you insinuate that I am a liar and that Tashah is a lying bimbo and you expect to be taken seriously...
Just look at how dizzy you are from the circles I ran around you... :rofl

So dizzy that you even admit it, no less!

The dance continues, and though you are trying (which is more than I gave you credit for) you have much to learn.

:2wave:

Hey! Look at that! That is twice! LOLOLOLOLOLOLO :rofl ROFLROFLR ROFL LO LOL
 
Is the expanding universe is a fact? Most people say Yes.

However, there was until recently some uncertainty about the exact rate of expansion. The last measurements show that the rate is increasing. That is strange, and it also suggests that the universe is "open." An open universe is bound to suffer heat death. For me, that feels wrong. There is much yet to be told. Can anyone add anything to this theory?

I'm a sailor not a scientist.
 
I have orchestrated this conversation so that it would best coincide with your LPA Tendencies...
You are dancing the steps that I have layed out, but it now seems that you are confused...

You are laughing about what you admittedly don't understand and you further admit that you were actually angry? :shock:

hmmmm.... what to do, what to do?

How do I get this to a level that you might understand and remain completely off topic as you insist on doing, yet refraining from petty personal and insultive character assissination attempts such as you?

Oh! I got it...

I saw your mamma kickin a tin can down the street the other day and I asked her what she was doin... and she said, "moving".

Drum roll please!

:2wave:

Look, you insinuate that I am a liar and that Tashah is a lying bimbo and you expect to be taken seriously...
Just look at how dizzy you are from the circles I ran around you... :rofl

So dizzy that you even admit it, no less!

The dance continues, and though you are trying (which is more than I gave you credit for) you have much to learn.

:2wave:

Hey! Look at that! That is twice! LOLOLOLOLOLOLO :rofl ROFLROFLR ROFL LO LOL

Something like this was one of the hypotheses that made me laugh. Now, when you have demonstrated it in ALL the extend, I see that I shouldn’t laugh – it would be unethical. I abstain.
 
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