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There is a fundamental disagreement in this country and the Obama administration has crystalized it.
When the majority figures out that it can vote the wealth away from the wealthy, the wealthy will be no more and we become a banana republic.
Don't worry about the wealthy, they will be just fine living in Canada and Mexico.
In two generations, the world will wonder how the USA was ever the preeminent power in the world. Oh, well, we had a good run.
All rather unlikely IMO, and anyone who is crazy enough to try and go to war with the government over gun control would not last long, nor have enough numbers, nor support. People's lives will continue, you will still be able to go to the store and buy food, and things would still be normal, so no widespread support would manifest.
When you say things like this, all it does is make you look crazy.Nothing good will happen if they are.
When you say things like this, all it does is make you look crazy.
In a thread about civil war, you wrote that if "some lines are crossed", "nothing good will happen." Vague references to repercussions in a thread about violence make you look like the crazy one.I do not know what excatly you are writing about perhaps you could elberate futher? You took a quote out of context and I am not sure what you are refering to as crazy.
In a thread about civil war, you wrote that if "some lines are crossed", "nothing good will happen." Vague references to repercussions in a thread about violence make you look like the crazy one.
What are you referring to when you say “fundamental disagreements” that Obama has crystallized?:2wave:
One more thing. There are some lines you just dont cross with out repercusion. A lot of people feel that way. Some of those lines are getting close to being crossed. I hope they are not. Nothing good will happen if they are.
You are so wrong about people not lasting long against the goverment. Iraq and Afghanistan proved that it can be done. Heres the difference, the people that would go up against the government have a lot more know how, an its in our backyard and the people who are in government now would be DIRECTLY targeted. Its one thing to fight a war overseas, its another to fight in and around your homes with your families at stake and targeted. That goes for both sides. Those kind of wars get into the kind of ugly you dont want to know about. One of the first things to go is normalcy. In order for the government to find those people they would have to take away civil liberty. You would not be able to come and go as you please and a whole other lot of bad things. I would not wish it on just anybody.
What lines are being close to being crossed?
I think you'd find that in any fight between 'the people' and the Government, if 'the people' are the right wing nutjobs that keep talking about taking up arms against the government, there'd be a lot of 'us people' on the government's side.
I think you'd find that in any fight between 'the people' and the Government, if 'the people' are the right wing nutjobs that keep talking about taking up arms against the government, there'd be a lot of 'us people' on the government's side.
1. If I go in a thread about violence and start talking about repercussions for crossing whatever lines I may have, then you can tell me I look like the crazy one because I will. That probably won't happen though because I'm more interested in using words and votes than guns to get my message across.Do you have lines that if someone crosses them, that you will not tolerate? Will that reaction be good? You can call me crazy all you like but the fact is everybody has a line where they will fight back. You dont back people in a corner and not expect them not to fight, that is insanity. The right to defend oneself is a basic human perogitive if not right.
By the way if you are going to quote me would you be so kind as to do me the same courtesey I did you and provide the whole qoute so people understand what we are discusing.
You'd have a perfect citizen of pre-nazi Germany.
You are so wrong about people not lasting long against the goverment. Iraq and Afghanistan proved that it can be done. Heres the difference, the people that would go up against the government have a lot more know how, an its in our backyard and the people who are in government now would be DIRECTLY targeted. Its one thing to fight a war overseas, its another to fight in and around your homes with your families at stake and targeted. That goes for both sides. Those kind of wars get into the kind of ugly you dont want to know about. One of the first things to go is normalcy. In order for the government to find those people they would have to take away civil liberty. You would not be able to come and go as you please and a whole other lot of bad things. I would not wish it on just anybody.
There are a lot of things piling up, the economy and the debt being two big ones that could knock us into anarchy.
The recent NK act of putting a satellite in orbit means they could potentially set off a nuke over North America and knock out the power grid with an EMP, which would be chaos.
On top of that, I thought Obama's second term would be more of the same, and I didn't believe those who said that in his second term he would go extreme and push crazy crap on the country... but with this talk of him creating new gun control by fiat, by Executive Order, I'm starting to worry what else may be coming down the pike.
There are people who are, right now, watching to see what happens in this latest gun control thing, who are no-fooling-dead-serious prepared to go to war if it goes too far. I'm not talking about ignorant rednecks and loud-mouth fools, I'm talking about deadly dangerous ex-military types.
I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that.
What lines are being close to being crossed?
Bolding mine. I seriously doubt there will be very many Military, active or retired that would take part in such a disorganized rag tag operation. Let me ask you, how are you going to know who to shoot. How are you going to get the weapons you'll need. You'll need more then a deer rifle or a few assault rifles. Are you just gonna start shooting at the local police. How are you going to communicate with others. You can't use cell phones, they have GPS and you'll be located pretty quick, Where are you going to hide, where will you put a command post. And of course you know that as soon as you shoot the first police officer, or the first innocent neighbor, or blow up the first building you'll be considered domestic terrorists. At that point you can probably expect a late night visit from a well trained, well armed Seal Team. The best you'll be able to somewhat count are a bunch of fat, lazy ignorant loud mouth rednecks.
If you say so, bud... you must know all about it, so I can heave a sigh of relief and quit worrying now that you've spoken.
Er... who are you, again?
QUOTE code1211
There are people who believe, as I do, that the country should strive as much as possible to not be in debt and that part of the road to this goal is to have rational tax program that while being progressive, demands contributions by all.
There are those who believe that the size of the debt makes no difference and that the need to pay taxes is the responsibility of someone else.
People in the former group take pride in making their own way, paying for their own living and not being a burden on others.
People in the later group demand as a birth right the standard of living that they envy enough to want, but not enough to earn.
Those of us who are never defined as wealthy by any politician, but have worked since they were children and have judiciously saved and planned are just a tad upset that others who lived life like a sailor on the three day leave are demanding that they reap the reward without ever making the sacrifice.
For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying and owning a gun. I am worried that there is trouble coming. There is only so much stupid in the world and when it runs out and the rest of the world sees that the Emperor has no clothes, we're screwed.
It is possible for the US to radically reform without blood being shed. Just something to consider.
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