Is the United States a Republic, but not a Democracy?

[Moot]

great, so if we applied that today half the electorate would gone and we'd be better off for it. Also, Constitution says a certain age must be reached to vote and hold office. The idea being that young often means stupid or inexperienced. If children can't vote or hold office then neither should adults as dumb as children. Democrats treasonously subverted our Founders democracy and gave us the mob rule that our genius founders so feared.

But if we use your rational then you and a lot of other conservatives wouldn't be able to vote, either.

 

[James972]

But if we use your rational then you and a lot of other conservatives wouldn't be able to vote, either.

actually conservatives what voter qualification tests, picture ID, etc. while subversive liberals want mob rule including the illiterate, prisoners, and illegals because the mob will always vote for more and more Sanders as Santa Claus welfare!!


"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

 

[jet57]

actually conservatives what voter qualification tests, picture ID, etc. while subversive liberals want mob rule including the illiterate, prisoners, and illegals because the mob will always vote for more and more Sanders as Santa Claus welfare!!


"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

Interesting. So there should be no restrictions on the second amendment, but there should be restrictions on voting...

How do you square that?

 

[Thoreau72]

The USA is certainly a "Republic" since the term can apply to virtually any country that, no matter how tenuously, can make the case that it is mostly about the "The People." The USA is a democracy only in the sense that the people vote and thus wield a fair amount of power. Democrats, though, have subverted the democratic element by encouraging everyone to vote no matter how unqualified despite the Constitution saying that only qualified intelligent people can vote and hold office.

Would you be interested in specifying just where in the document it says that only qualified intelligent people can vote and hold office?

 

[James972]

Would you be interested in specifying just where in the document it says that only qualified intelligent people can vote and hold office?

for example it says you have to be 35 to be president. Do you understand?

 

[jet57]

The USA is certainly a "Republic" since the term can apply to virtually any country that, no matter how tenuously, can make the case that it is mostly about the "The People." The USA is a democracy only in the sense that the people vote and thus wield a fair amount of power. Democrats, though, have subverted the democratic element by encouraging everyone to vote no matter how unqualified despite the Constitution saying that only qualified intelligent people can vote and hold office.

Yeah, my copy of the constitution doesn't say that...

Do you have the 1936 German version'er what?

 

[Master PO]

for example it says you have to be 35 to be president. Do you understand?

being older does not mean one is intelligent, this guy was elected senator and has no idea what government is about.

 

[Thoreau72]

for example it says you have to be 35 to be president. Do you understand?

I understand that your previous post was inaccurate, do you?

 

[James972]

I understand that your previous post was inaccurate, do you?

why do you think you have to be 35 to be president, and reach a certain age to vote? Our Founders knew a democracy depended on intelligence just like good rocket science depends on intelligence. Thus, children can't vote and adults as dumb as children should not be allowed to vote either. Further, its conflict of interest to vote when you are getting money from those for whom you vote.

In a real democracy, not libsocialist mob rule, the libsocialists would not have a chance! Their presense is in effect a fraud!


"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

 

[James972]

being older does not mean one is intelligent, this guy was elected senator and has no idea what government is about.

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true, the Founders had to find a way to make a persons intelligence important and age was the only way they could do it. The best way would be to exclude those who could not pass a politican IQ test and those receiving money from the politicians for whom they are voting.

 

[Thoreau72]

why do you think you have to be 35 to be president, and reach a certain age to vote? Our Founders knew a democracy depended on intelligence just like good rocket science depends on intelligence. Thus, children can't vote and adults as dumb as children should not be allowed to vote either. Further, its conflict of interest to vote when you are getting money from those for whom you vote.

In a real democracy, not libsocialist mob rule, the libsocialists would not have a chance! Their presense is in effect a fraud!


"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

It doesn't really matter what the founders thought, or whether you magically know what they thought. What matters is the document and what it says.

 

[James972]

It doesn't really matter what the founders thought, or whether you magically know what they thought. What matters is the document and what it says.

yes it says you have to be 35 because that meant you had more intelligence than a child!

 

[Thoreau72]

yes it says you have to be 35 because that meant you had more intelligence than a child!

I have a strange feeling you are not yet 35

 

[lenski7]

yes it says you have to be 35 because that meant you had more intelligence than a child!

One could infer that anyone in politics, with the ability to muster such support to become president, has more than the intelligence of a child. The 35 year old requirement probably was put in place to favor more experience over emotions, and what people thought they wanted at one time in a sudden overtly extreme reactive move, and a younger person with less life experience would not be as prepared or grizzled for the job, and the tough decisions it requires. You don't want to be shooting for the first time in a warzone.

 

[James972]

One could infer that anyone in politics, with the ability to muster such support to become president, has more than the intelligence of a child. The 35 year old requirement probably was put in place to favor more experience over emotions, and what people thought they wanted at one time in a sudden overtly extreme reactive move, and a younger person with less life experience would not be as prepared or grizzled for the job, and the tough decisions it requires. You don't want to be shooting for the first time in a warzone.

our Founders assumed that intelligence was better than ignorance when it came to voters and office holders!! For example, a Democrat democracy that wanted only children voting and holding office would not do as well as a Republican democracy that wanted intelligent adults voting and holding office. Did I make that simple enough for you? I pride myself on being able to explain things to libsocialists.

 

[lenski7]

our Founders assumed that intelligence was better than ignorance when it came to voters and office holders!! For example, a Democrat democracy that wanted only children voting and holding office would not do as well as a Republican democracy that wanted intelligent adults voting and holding office. Did I make that simple enough for you? I pride myself on being able to explain things to libsocialists.

What? I don't get what you are saying to me? A more experienced person has more wisdom, and his cabinet can help provide intelligence in the areas he is lacking, thus the establishment of departments in the executive to help the president in making decisions. Also we have no intelligence test for people holding office, there are foolish 100 year old folks, and genius 18 year old kids. We don't have a literacy test to vote. When did you assume I was a Liberal, or a Socialist. When did I say the requirements for president should be changed. We desperately need experience in our leaders, real life experience. Also why do you think a one party state of mob rule (democracy), would work better than a Federal Republic, how did it work for Ancient Greece all of those 'experienced' adults voting on decisions where the 51% ruled.

 

[lenski7]

being older does not mean one is intelligent, this guy was elected senator and has no idea what government is about.

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To further support this claim, let us all welcome U.S Representative of Georgia, Hank Johnson!!!



Also that punk you mentioned that is in the senate, is a good reason why the 17th amendment needs to be repealed.

 

[James972]

What? I don't get what you are saying to me?

simple, a voter or brain surgeon or office holder will be more successful if they are well qualified.

 

[lenski7]

simple, a voter or brain surgeon or office holder will be more successful if they are well qualified.

Well qualified, and intelligence don't always correlate with one another, a brain surgeon may be intelligent, but not every brain surgeon is bombastic enough to get what they want passed, and will not push on hard enough. Intelligence, and leadership do not always meet up.

 

[James972]

Well qualified, and intelligence don't always correlate with one another, a brain surgeon may be intelligent, but not every brain surgeon is bombastic enough to get what they want passed, and will not push on hard enough. Intelligence, and leadership do not always meet up.

nobody said that they always meet up just that a well qualified voter or brain surgeon will do better than a non qualified one. The Founders knew this, modern treasonous, subversive liberals pretene they don't because they know the less qualified someone is the more they will vote for their own crippling welfare payments and magical govt.

 

[Master PO]

To further support this claim, let us all welcome U.S Representative of Georgia, Hank Johnson!!!



Also that punk you mentioned that is in the senate, is a good reason why the 17th amendment needs to be repealed.

the first time i saw this years ago, i could not believe we have people in government this stupid!

 

[lenski7]

nobody said that they always meet up just that a well qualified voter or brain surgeon will do better than a non qualified one. The Founders knew this, modern treasonous, subversive liberals pretene they don't because they know the less qualified someone is the more they will vote for their own crippling welfare payments and magical govt.

You attack everyone you disagree with, by calling them a liberal, that is a nasty word nowadays. The 35 year old age requirement would trim down the pool a lot then, people didn't live long, the average person could only expect to live 36 years in the 1700s. So then only the successful top crop would be around, they would also be very mature, maturity is an important thing when dealing with the reality of compromise, and the reality of the world that doesn't simply bend to you. I would rather vote for someone who represented my views, that doesn't necessarily mean intelligence, intelligence can be solved by the cabinet, you don't have to be a genius if you have a great cabinet. The president brings his czars, he has 15 heads of departments which tell him about the situation, and he uses reason to make a decision he doesn't have to be a MENSA genius, but reasonable, and having leadership (maturity).

 

[lenski7]

the first time i saw this years ago, i could not believe we have people in government this stupid!

I know when I saw that, I didn't know to break down laughing, weep for the admiral who had to sit through this crap, or get irate at how stupid the people in Georgia are to elect this guy. A biased, and lying press gets this accomplished, and that is the only way people like this get elected.

EDIT : Here is another idiot in government, but no suprise it is in California, he is a state senator

De Leon!

 

[James972]

You attack everyone you disagree with, by calling them a liberal, that is a nasty word nowadays. .

after Sanders the better world is libsocialist.

 

[James972]

. The 35 year old age requirement would trim down the pool a lot then,.

yes because the 35 and over crowd is more qualified than the 35 and under crowd!! Liberals want the lest qualified to vote vote for their welfare and magical govt. Do you understand now?