No, those are not the things that make up a platform. What I listed were just a few of the constituent groups of the OWS movement, and each constituent group has their own belief separate from the beliefs of the other constituent group.
And, yes, political parties have multiple ideas. But the various groups within OWS may have conflicting ideas that prevent it from being what you would call a third party.
As I stated before, some groups that have associated with the OWS are socialists and anarchists. Socialists seek to use government as a tool for various policies. Anarchists seek to eliminate government altogether for various reasons. These means that the multiple ideals that socialists and anarchists have are incompatible with each other for them to unite as a single political party.
Just because a group is not of the Right does not necessarily mean that it is also of the Left.
Ok you keep saying that OWS is made up of different groups. please show me who they are. Give me some links.
The entire OWS model is Leftist all the way down to the General Assembly. Every sign being held, every position being asserted. I challenge you to show me a legit OWS protester that is not on the Left.
It depends on what type of Anarchism.Anarchism is not a leftist philosophy.
So those are the main groups involved in OWS?I know that anarchists are a part of the OWS because I heard an NPR report about someone who worked on Wall Street talk to a group of anarchists attending the NYC protests so he could learn a bit about anarchism and so he could teach a bit about Wall Street to anarchists.
I know that socialists are a part of OWS because I've seen interviews of OWS protest that widening wealth gap and advocating redistribution of wealth to end it.
I know that the elderly are a part of OWS because I've seen them participate in news reports.
I know that young college students are a part of OWS because I've seen them interviewed by on news reports.
Those are the only broad groups I've mentioned because those are the only groups I've heard about. I don't have the time to hunt down the specific news reports. I don't know what other groups may be participating. And it's not like the OWS movement has an exact membership list we can check either.
It depends on what type of Anarchism.
So those are the main groups involved in OWS?
Well, the very term "anarchism" comes from the Greek words for "without leaders" which equate to "without government."
And leftist philosophies have always been accused by conservatives for using big government policies.
So I don't see how it's possible to lump those who are against all forms of government into a political wing that favors large government powers.
Well, the very term "anarchism" comes from the Greek words for "without leaders" which equate to "without government."
And leftist philosophies have always been accused by conservatives for using big government policies.
So I don't see how it's possible to lump those who are against all forms of government into a political wing that favors large government powers.
Technically he's right. Less government doesn't necessarily equate to right-wing (although that's what many conservatives would prefer to think). You do have both left anarchists (anarcho-syndicalists) and right-anarchists (anarcho-capitalists).
From the Article said:Additionally, anarcho-syndicalists regard the state as a profoundly anti-worker institution. They view the primary purpose of the state as being the defence of private property and therefore of economic, social and political privilege, even when such defence denies its citizens the ability to enjoy material independence and the social autonomy which springs from it.[SUP][3][/SUP] In contrast to other bodies of thought (Marxism-Leninism being a prime example), anarcho-syndicalists deny that there can be any kind of workers' state, or a state which acts in the interests of workers, as opposed to those of the powerful. Reflecting the anarchist philosophy from which it draws its primary inspiration, anarcho-syndicalism holds to the idea that power corrupts.[SUP][4][/SUP].
That whistling you hear is the point whizzing over your head, but I suppose I can play your game too. The TEA party is no more racist than the fleabaggers are anti-Semetic.
Anarcho-syndicalism is still against government.
So anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-capitalists are still against government institutions, for a variety of reasons. Where they differ, however, is how economic institutions should be organized.
Right. My point was, however, that anarcho-syndicalism is considered left anarchism, not right-wing. Which is to say, once again, that "less/no government" doesn't always equal "more right-wing." So FFA is right when he says "it depends on what kind of anarchism."
Or the left-wing/right-wing dichotomy is such an inaccurate means of judging political philosophies and movements that we should shoot it point blank with a shotgun and bury it.
Well, the problems that I see are not the same as what OWS protests against. I guess the difference is, I don't resent someone else's financial success and I don't feel entitled to part of it.
What's also not particularly useful is a complete lack of recognition or concern that OWS just might be, at least in part, responsible for how they're perceived.
Those are the type of thing that make up an platform. Are political parties not unified because they have multiple ideals that they promote?
BTW correction the protesters are not the 99% they are only a portion of the 99%. More specifically the protesters are from the Left. Prove me wrong but there is no one on the Right that supports the occupy movement.
Ok you keep saying that OWS is made up of different groups. please show me who they are. Give me some links.
The entire OWS model is Leftist all the way down to the General Assembly. Every sign being held, every position being asserted. I challenge you to show me a legit OWS protester that is not on the Left.
Well, the very term "anarchism" comes from the Greek words for "without leaders" which equate to "without government."
And leftist philosophies have always been accused by conservatives for using big government policies.
So I don't see how it's possible to lump those who are against all forms of government into a political wing that favors large government powers.
Does co-opting an movement count as supporting it?Challenge made...Challenge met
Politics
According to a Pew Research Center/Washington Post. Oct. 20-23, 19% of republicans asked said they agree with OWS
Does co-opting an movement count as supporting it?
I think that they are pro-capitalism and anti-Corporatism. Corporatism or as Mussolini stated is better known as Fascism. It is the Corporate driver that can initiate wars for resources and profit that resides here. Wars for Big Energy and the status quo of big money. The people who profit from war, ergo are constantly ginning up wars. That'd be Corporations here in the USA. I mean, it's about profit, black and white numbers, the bottom line, and by Corporate personhood that does not live and breathe, so don't worry about the pollution either.
No, and asking irrelevant questions doesn't hide the fail
Unregulated capitalism, yes. Regulated capitalism, no.
OWS, in my opinion, seems to promote a mixture of regulated capitalism and socialism. They seem to think that corporations should not have influence in public policy and that they should follow regulation in order to prevent economic disasters like the one we have been experiencing. Welfare is a socialist policy, but OWS doesn't seem to want to eliminate all corporations and free trade.
How astute of you. Were the Ron Paul supporters participating in the General Assemblies? Or were they standing to the side holding signs? Are there any recent photos of the Right wingers at any of the protests. And were they showing support or being opportunistic?. But none the less it just proves that the majority of the protesters and supporters of OWS are Left wing of some sort.
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