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Spread is because the numbers are "best guess" there is nothing resembling serious analysis............as is your explanation........ a guess
What about the findings that guns are seldom used for self defense?
Yes, I would agree in part with you. If you call the cops and they are on their way and will be at your home very soon, then THE LAST thing you need to be doing is poking around the place with a gun. The cops got a "man with a gun" call, and that is exactly what they will be looking for. If your shadow is what they see, then good luck and hope they have proper fire discipline. You WILL be betting your life on their training.
IF, however, the cops take a long time to get to your place, then you need to barricade yourself someplace and establish a fire zone that you can cover. Ensuring all of your loved ones are with you in the safe zone.
That last thing you want to happen is the intruder or three pounding on your door attempting to get in and all you can do is cower in the corner with a phone.
A shotgun or a high capacity magazine pistol is what you need in your hand at those moments.
THE PHYSICAL ABILITY TO MAKE THEM STOP is what you need....and a can of deodorant ain't gonna do it.
I support the second amendment, and I think the NRA is about money and propaganda. I am glad this study is exposing the NRA for what it is. I don't really support the NRA. My dad was a member for a long time, and recently dropped his membership. I will never join the NRA unless drastic changes are made.
An educated guess based off of observable social effects and data.
In the end any effort to extrapolate data on a topic like defensive gun use that by nature is likely unreported more then half time using surveys and statistics from different places that compile data differently, is indeed much guesswork. But it's not invented out of thin air.
And that guesswork is far more relevant to this discussion then VPCs simple measurement of homicide numbers.
VPCs analysis does not prove the NRA wrong on anything as your thread title contends
An "educated guess" is a subjective guess ............ and not a fact based upon measurement......... And is mostly used by BSers and folks who have some ulterior motives ..........and not those using the scientific method......
BTW
Are you using MRA material which suggests what you posted as an argument.......to befuddle them liberals..............
as if copied word for word from NRA material..........
If that was from memory........Wow.......well done
The study says that the chances it will happen to you makes the decision to have a gun more of a decision of a perceive event of fear.......
Rather than one intelligently based upon facts than emotions......
Of course the study in no way says/suggest a limit to freely decide what good for you.......
And it seems your reply is based on emotions rather than intellect......
YES, absolutely. You are 100% correct.
My decision to have a pistol on my nightstand is 100% based on me wanting it there, and it making me feel good and secure knowing it is there.
There is an old Viking saying,..." never be more than three steps away from your weapon". I like that saying, and therefore I have a weapon within easy reach of the three main places my buns are parked in my home.
I feel good knowing they are there, and yes, it is 100% emotional.
I will not dispute that one bit. I have also not even once had to pull a trigger on anyone in the USA. I hope I never do.
So, in a way, I fit the stats of that study perfectly.
I LIKE that feel of checkered grips in the palm of my hand.
I also have a shotgun (Remington 870) loaded with plastic balls and beanbags for anything needing a NON-lethal response.
Is The NRA Wrong? New Study Shows Guns Rarely Used For Self-Defense
Is The NRA Wrong? New Study Shows Guns Rarely Used for Self-Defense
Personal safety is one of the most-cited reasons to buy a gun. But a new study challenges the assumption that firearms are often used for self-defense.
The Violence Policy Center found that a very small proportion of firearm homicides can be attributed to so-called justifiable situations. Just one-gun death per every 32 criminal gun killings happened in self-defense scenarios in 2012, the most recent year for which data is available. And, while gun advocates argue that they want a firearm handy in their house in case of an intruder, just 0.1 percent of the justified attacks involved property crimes.
“The [National Rifle Association] has staked its entire agenda on the claim that guns are necessary for self-defense, but this gun industry propaganda has no basis in fact,” Josh Sugarmann, the executive director of VPC, which conducted the review, said in a statement. “Guns are far more likely to be used in a homicide than in a justifiable homicide by a private citizen. In fact, a gun is far more likely to be stolen than used in self-defense.”
Of the 8,601 total homicides recorded in 2012, just 259 of those deaths were the result of a self-defense scenario, according to the study. There were 13 states in which zero justifiable firearm deaths were logged that year. That no-deaths list included states with relatively strict gun control laws as well as states where firearms are more easily accessible. From New York and New Jersey, with tighter regulation, to Idaho and Montana, known for their love of hunting and opposition to gun control, firearms don’t appear to be used with any real frequency to save one’s self or family, according to the study.
“Purchasing a gun may help enrich the firearms industry, but the facts show it is unlikely to increase your personal safety,” Sugarmann said. “In fact, in a nation of more than 300 million firearms, it is striking how rarely guns are used in self-defense.” …………..
ALSO SEE:
Personal Safety Top Reason Americans Own Guns Today
http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf
Self-Defense Gun Use is Rare, Study Finds | Violence Policy Center
Lobbying Spending Database - National Rifle Assn, 2015 | OpenSecrets
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000082&cycle=2014
Since a gun is seldom used "protecting "honey and home" and the cost of a gun.........some might consider installing deadbolt lock in the entry doors..........some what cheaper and more effective and certainly much safer........... than trying to shoot an intruder in the dark.........
Wouldn't you agree?
That finding is not correct. As has been mentioned. The absolute lowest credible numbers out DGUs as occurring 6 times as frequently as firearm homicides
Well, then its up to you prove that the OP is incorrect. I happen to believe it.
Is The NRA Wrong? New Study Shows Guns Rarely Used for Self-Defense
As much as I support gun rights that is just silly. You actually make your home a target by advertising guns, criminals lookng for valuable property to fence are likely to hit your house during the day wen the kids are at school and parents at work
That is why people buy gun and ammo safes, oh and own dogs.
60 - 400 thousand......Wow that5's a real spread ..............Can you cite where those "numbers came from?........
I saw them offered as "truth" from NRA material one can find easily on the web......
Were you aware of that?
???? How often do people use the fire extinguishers in their homes? Still highly recommended. When you need it, you need it.
Why do parents teach their kids about stranger danger? Not that many kids are really kidnapped.
Why do facilities have fire and earthquake drills? How often do they ever have fires or earthquakes?
Some people make intelligent, prudent decisions regarding the risks in life. Some don't. Most that don't get away with that, the luck of the odds. So then they feel justified in their condescension. Unless of course, the odds turn against them.
The OP is not factually incorrect in the data, they are using it to present a faulty conclusion the data doesn't support
NO.
Self-defense is not limited to active use against criminals.
Self-defense applies to any and all forms of threat. Not only criminal, but wild animals, foreign invasion, and government oppression.
Moreover, it includes deterrence. The fact that so many people are armed serves as a deterrent to criminal activity and government oppression.
It's a GOOD thing that so few people find themselves in a situation where they need to use a gun. It's a BETTER thing to have one in case you ever DO need it.
No. It is better to build a society that doesn't need guns.
I have seen this study before and it's right. I find it hilarious you invent "foreign invasion" as a reason to keep guns
No. It is better to build a society that doesn't need guns.
I have seen this study before and it's right. I find it hilarious you invent "foreign invasion" as a reason to keep guns
Well, then its up to you prove that the OP is incorrect. I happen to believe it.
As much as I support gun rights that is just silly. You actually make your home a target by advertising guns, criminals lookng for valuable property to fence are likely to hit your house during the day wen the kids are at school and parents at work
NO.
Self-defense is not limited to active use against criminals.
Self-defense applies to any and all forms of threat. Not only criminal, but wild animals, foreign invasion, and government oppression.
Moreover, it includes deterrence. The fact that so many people are armed serves as a deterrent to criminal activity and government oppression.
It's a GOOD thing that so few people find themselves in a situation where they need to use a gun. It's a BETTER thing to have one in case you ever DO need it.
But it is not so good that most people find that their only use for their gun is to shoot themselves. It is by far the most common "use" of a gun in the home.
The OP is not factually incorrect in the data, they are using it to present a faulty conclusion the data doesn't support
And that faulty conclusion uses suicides, is your claim?
Did you miss the post above it?
Dead. Buried.
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