catholicauthor
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I don't read about all of this outcry regarding the government minding it's own business when the law is in favor of abortion.catholicauthor said:Americans keep asking (liberals especially) if the government allowed to mandate that a woman carry out her pregnancy. They say that this is a decision that the government cannot make, but they are dead wrong. The government has made a decision, the decision to allow abortions.
Jerry said:I don't read about all of this outcry regarding the government minding it's own business when the law is in favor of abortion.
vergiss said:...possibly because the government is minding its own business? :lol:
LOLvergiss said:...possibly because the government is minding its own business? :lol:
Then the government can not forbid late-term abortions either.jallman said:Exactly. The government has no place imposing restrictions or privileges upon the decision to elect a medical procedure used to alleviate and unwanted medical condition. The decision rests solely with the person who has the medical condition and can pay for the procedure to alleviate said condition.
Jerry said:Then the government can not forbid late-term abortions either.
Once it does, the whole issue of *what is a "person"* comes up, and that is what The People can not agree on.
Another thing.....vergiss said:...possibly because the government is minding its own business? :lol:
Hmmmm........talloulou said:Excellent point. It is true that many who claim to be prochoice don't in fact hesitate to take choice away at a certain point. The majority of prochoicers are not in fact people who believe a women has the right to have a fetus killed at any and all stages of development. Most of them draw the line at some fetal stage. Thus, at some point they are willing to take the choice away much as I myself am willing to take it away. That's why I find prochoice to be an ODD term.
Ah, like pro-life who have no problem letting people die if they could be saved?talloulou said:That's why I find prochoice to be an ODD term.
steen said:Ah, like pro-life who have no problem letting people die if they could be saved?
steen said:Ah, like pro-life who have no problem letting people die if they could be saved?
jallman said:Exactly. The government has no place imposing restrictions or privileges upon the decision to elect a medical procedure used to alleviate and unwanted medical condition. The decision rests solely with the person who has the medical condition and can pay for the procedure to alleviate said condition.
jallman said:Exactly. The government has no place imposing restrictions or privileges upon the decision to elect a medical procedure used to alleviate and unwanted medical condition. The decision rests solely with the person who has the medical condition and can pay for the procedure to alleviate said condition.
talloulou said:Excellent point. It is true that many who claim to be prochoice don't in fact hesitate to take choice away at a certain point. The majority of prochoicers are not in fact people who believe a women has the right to have a fetus killed at any and all stages of development. Most of them draw the line at some fetal stage. Thus, at some point they are willing to take the choice away much as I myself am willing to take it away. That's why I find prochoice to be an ODD term.
vergiss said:I daresay that the first 3 or 4 months is enough time to choose.
talloulou said:Yeah me too but I go even further and say they should have chose by using birth control, condoms, and perhaps even the morning after pill.
vergiss said:What if they did and it failed?
talloulou said:You know I believe you do your best but in life there are no guarantees so at some point you just have to deal with consequences and pay the pied piper so to speak.
alphamale said:Geez .... the abortionists have had to come up with practically a whole new vocabulary to deal with what they advocate - a fetus, possibly a human being, is now reduced to "an unwanted medical condition", say, like acne. What has really impressed me is how they go though some amazing verbal gymnastics to avoid speaking the word abortion.
talloulou said:And yet many many prochoicers do advocate the "choice" being taken away at some point in pregnancy. Most don't agree that the mother should have the right to kill her unborn right up till the end minutes before it would be born. We all draw the line in the sand in different places. Some at viability, some later, some earlier, and some like me at the beginning.
So to me it is quite amusing that prochoicers use the argument that it is the womans body and therefore she must be able to say what happens to her body and her resources thus the government must not regulate this. When clearly MANY MANY of you find that actually there is a point or a time in fetal develoment when the government should be allowed to ban abortion.
Doesn't that then turn around and crush the CRUX of your very own argument? If the main reason for choice is cause the women must have control over her body and bodily resources then how can you take that choice away ever at any stage in pregnancy?! Yet many of you would. Interesting. It's almost like you don't even buy your own argument yet you expect me to.
So one life is less than the other? One has less right to life than the other?talloulou said:There is a difference between not giving a kidney to your neighbor who needs one and killing a fetus.
In the first case, you personally decided to let him die.In the first case a human may lose his life in the second case you personally order the life ended.
talloulou said:Yeah me too but I go even further and say they should have chose by using birth control, condoms, and perhaps even the morning after pill.
afr0byte said:Well, as far as the morning after pill, the woman shouldn't have to take that risk. http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/mos/mos_31pillcankill.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RU-486RU-486 is sold by Danco Laboratories and is approved to terminate pregnancy up to 49 days after the beginning of the latest menstrual cycle. It blocks a hormone required to sustain a pregnancy. When followed two days later by another medicine, misoprostol, to induce contractions, the pregnancy is terminated.
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