Is the EU trying to become a European Superpower?

[Ginza]

The EU dispute with Germany proceeds :



European Unity is crumbling.

 

[Peter King]

Perhaps you have not yet learned what "reminds me of" means.

Why does the remark hurt you so much?

Does the truth hurt?

The truth?

 

[Peter King]

Read up. The UK is a democracy consisting of the English, Welsh, Scots and N.Irish.

They all determine the course. It's stupid to suggest otherwise.

More nonsense, it is always either the English Tories or the English Labour party which have ruled in parliament. If you hadn't just selectively quoted me you would know who is the only one in Westminster who has the right and the might to determine what happens in the UK parliament and gotvernment. To claim they all determine the course is ludicrous nonsense. Which is obvious from the rest of my previous post that you hacked away:

the English. They have the vast majority of seats in the UK parliament. Of the total number of seats 533 are filled by English MP's, 59 are Scottish MP's, 40 are Welsh MP's and 18 are from Northern Ireland and a good number of them are never filled because Sinn Fein won those seats.

 

[Peter King]

That is true. Why suggest that I think they all have a chip on their shoulder when I have never said this?

Others may disagree with Brexit but don't choose to call British people idiots or morons, as you have.

You have an obviously very large chip on your shoulder regarding the UK, as your continual anti-British posts here bear testament.

You need to get over your bitterness and move on with your life.

Brexit is done and dusted.

More dishonesty, I did not call all British people idiots or morons, that comment was about the English who supported Brexit for ridiculous reasons like believing Farage and the utter buffoon of the world Boris Johnson.

The rest is your usual personal attack tripe. And yes, Brexit is done, so goodbye and don't let the door hit you on the way out English. As soon as the Scots have liberated themselves from the UK they are welcome again (the same goes for the Welsh and the Northern Irish).

 

[Peter King]

Better than some bitter Netherlander who continually cries on the internet over Brexit and who just doesn't seem capable of accepting that the British people have voted to no longer be part of the EU.

I feel your pain....but move on.

Strange, because I am pretty certain it is you who continually cries on this forum about people who think it is a good thing the constantly feet dragging English are out of the EU.

 

[Ginza]

More nonsense

This in reply to my statement : "The UK is a democracy consisting of the English, Welsh, Scots and N.Irish."

So the UK is NOT a democracy?

You are now not debating but simply stating incorrect facts.

I suggest that you look up the word democracy.

You are now being totally ridiculous in your attempts to "win" a debate.

 

[Ginza]

that comment was about the English who supported Brexit for ridiculous reasons

So your insults do not extend to the millions of Scots, Welsh and N.Irish who supported Brexit?

But only the English?

Where do you get all your Xenophobic nonsense?

 

[Ginza]

and don't let the door hit you on the way out English

Lol! Your bitterness and anger are getting the better of you again, hence the Xenophobia. You are sounding hysterical.

You seem incapable of understanding that the UK is not like independent nations in Europe who can't vote in each others elections.

There are 800 000 Scots living in England.

There are 610 000 Welsh people living in England.

Those who wish to vote are registered and vote in ENGLAND.

There are 295 000 Northern Irish people living in Britain. Many are registered to vote in ENGLAND.

Many English live in Scotland, Wales and NI.....and CAN VOTE there.

So to claim that everyone who votes in England is English is simply absolute rubbish.

The British are extremely interbred. I have relatives from England, Scotland and Wales as well as the Irish Republic.

You need to get over your feelings of rejection. It can't be good for you.

Insulting the Brits who voted for Brexit, which is the majority, is really small minded.

 

[MamboDervish]

It is a superpower.. economically and politically.

. . . and technologically, and medically, and educationally, and socially, and . . . . etc.

 

[Ginza]

Brexit is done, so goodbye and don't let the door hit you on the way out

Lol!

So you spend years on this website, posting hundreds of times here, whinging because of Brexit and you now expect others to believe that you are glad Brexit happened and that the UK is no longer part of the EU?



What a massive contradiction.

 

[Sven Karma]

The EU meeds to up its game when it comes to efficiency if it wants to become a Superpower :

"EU Faces 100 Billion-Euro Price Tag for Bungled Vaccine Push"​

"The European Union is facing a cost of tens of billions of euros for the slow and chaotic rollout of coronavirus vaccinations compared to countries such as the U.K. and U.S."

EU Faces 100 Billion-Euro Price Tag for Bungled Vaccine Push

www.bloomberg.com

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Well, if we're judging the vaccine rollout as a qualification for being a superpower the EU's going about it rather better than Australia:

‘How long can Australia go on like this?’: what world thought of ‘feeble’ Covid vaccine rollout

Once heralded a global Covid success story, Australia’s vaccine rollout has attracted little other than global criticism

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ginza]

Well, if we're judging the vaccine rollout as a qualification for being a superpower the EU's going about it rather better than Australia

Australia had its first Covid death this year on 11 July 2021.

The first Covid death in fact since October last year.

So you're probably more at risk here from the effects of the vaccine than you are from Covid....so Australians are not rushing to be vaccinated.

Unlike Europe, where people have, until recently, been dying in their tens of thousands.

In any case, who has suggested (other than you) that "we're judging the vaccine rollout as a qualification for being a superpower".

The poor vaccine rollout by the EU has been seen by most intelligent people in Europe as chaotic and inefficient.....not quite the performance expected from a Superpower.

"The EU's lethargic vaccine rollout suffered from a lack of appetite for risk, a "mistrust" of public-private partnerships and an inability of countries to act alone, the bloc's Brexit negotiator (Michel Barnier) has admitted."

Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier admits to EU vaccine rollout 'mistakes'

"The British took risks... the Americans took risks. We don't know how to do that yet," the EU official tells French radio.

news.sky.com

"Europe’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout ‘unacceptably slow’: WHO"​

Europe’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout ‘unacceptably slow’: WHO

Just 10 percent of the region’s total population of 900 million have received one vaccine dose, UN health agency says.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Sven Karma]

Australia had its first Covid death this year on 11 July 2021.

The first Covid death in fact since October last year.

So you're probably more at risk here from the effects of the vaccine than you are from Covid....so Australians are not rushing to be vaccinated.

Unlike Europe, where people have, until recently, been dying in their tens of thousands.

In any case, who has suggested (other than you) that "we're judging the vaccine rollout as a qualification for being a superpower".

The poor vaccine rollout by the EU has been seen by most intelligent people in Europe as chaotic and inefficient.....not quite the performance expected from a Superpower.

"The EU's lethargic vaccine rollout suffered from a lack of appetite for risk, a "mistrust" of public-private partnerships and an inability of countries to act alone, the bloc's Brexit negotiator (Michel Barnier) has admitted."

Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier admits to EU vaccine rollout 'mistakes'

"The British took risks... the Americans took risks. We don't know how to do that yet," the EU official tells French radio.

news.sky.com

"Europe’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout ‘unacceptably slow’: WHO"​

Europe’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout ‘unacceptably slow’: WHO

Just 10 percent of the region’s total population of 900 million have received one vaccine dose, UN health agency says.

www.aljazeera.com

Yes, I'm sure there are many Europeans admiring the Australian vaccine rollout, currently being outperformed by Kazakhstan.

 

[Peter King]

This in reply to my statement : "The UK is a democracy consisting of the English, Welsh, Scots and N.Irish."

So the UK is NOT a democracy?

You are now not debating but simply stating incorrect facts.

I suggest that you look up the word democracy.

You are now being totally ridiculous in your attempts to "win" a debate.

Is understanding facts that difficult? The vast majority of seats in the UK parliament are English seats, this means all the regions have nothing or almost nothing to say when it comes to making decisions. That is always done by English MP's and the parties who have been in the government have since years and years only been from English political parties. So stop acting like facts are too difficult to understand. That you are democracy does not mean that the Northern Irish, Scottish or Welsh have a say in Westminster politics and in UK governments.

 

[Peter King]

So your insults do not extend to the millions of Scots, Welsh and N.Irish who supported Brexit?

But only the English?

Where do you get all your Xenophobic nonsense?

You do know that a xenophobe is? I would only be a xenophobe if I were an Scottish person for example and was hateful to all English people in Scotland.

You cannot be xenophobic towards people in an other country.

 

[Peter King]

Lol! Your bitterness and anger are getting the better of you again, hence the Xenophobia. You are sounding hysterical.

You seem incapable of understanding that the UK is not like independent nations in Europe who can't vote in each others elections.

There are 800 000 Scots living in England.

There are 610 000 Welsh people living in England.

Those who wish to vote are registered and vote in ENGLAND.

There are 295 000 Northern Irish people living in Britain. Many are registered to vote in ENGLAND.

Many English live in Scotland, Wales and NI.....and CAN VOTE there.

So to claim that everyone who votes in England is English is simply absolute rubbish.

The British are extremely interbred. I have relatives from England, Scotland and Wales as well as the Irish Republic.

You need to get over your feelings of rejection. It can't be good for you.

Insulting the Brits who voted for Brexit, which is the majority, is really small minded.

And the only way this has to do with a European Super Power is when we let Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (or a united Ireland) back into the EU.

The rest of your story has all been hashed out in the Brexit thread, which is not something I am going to discuss here.

 

[Peter King]

Lol!

So you spend years on this website, posting hundreds of times here, whinging because of Brexit and you now expect others to believe that you are glad Brexit happened and that the UK is no longer part of the EU?



What a massive contradiction.

NOPE.

 

[Peter King]

Lol!

So you spend years on this website, posting hundreds of times here, whinging because of Brexit and you now expect others to believe that you are glad Brexit happened and that the UK is no longer part of the EU?



What a massive contradiction.

Re: How will Brexit go?

I think the EU will flourish now that we do not have the big whiny Brits to deal with when making agreements and deals. But the EU will not move forward into one nation and will deal with some of the issues which the British had with the EU.

I think for the UK it will be a less rosy time.

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/how-will-brexit-go-w-46.282252/post-1067032896

Re: How will Brexit go?



Well, in some cases you really did. Making a consensus is much more difficult with the UK in it IMHO.

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/how-will-brexit-go-w-46.282252/post-1067033936

Well how about them apples, my first 2 posts in the How will Brexit go is me saying that the EU will be better off without the whiny UK government holding up the decisions making process.

Personally I would have hoped the English had used some common sense and not listened to all the lying brexiteers, but I always felt that the UK was making the decision making process in the EU much more difficult, actually they made it needlessly difficult at times.

 

[Ginza]

You cannot be xenophobic towards people in an other country.

Nonsense.

Xenophobis is "the fear or hatred of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange."

Your dislike/hatred of the majority of Brits, who voted for Brexit, certainly fits this description.

You have no rational reason to insult them by calling them fools or morons, other than that they voted democratically to leave the EU.

You are a very bitter and angry person.

 

[Ginza]

I would have hoped the English had used some common sense and not listened to all the lying brexiteers

Er, they did. The British (not just the English, as you incorrectly claim, voted for Brexit.....please read up on the difference between British and English) didn't listen to the lies put forward by lying remainers with their project fear.

As a result, the UK now controls its own borders.

The UK escaped the EU's disastrous vaccine rollout.

Has reduced its trade deficit.

Is predicting a record growth rate.

Has its stock exchange at record highs.

Has property prices at record highs.

Working class people are receiving higher than average wage increases now that many foreign workers have left.

It's all good.

And this is why you are so bitter.

You know that the EU has much less chance of becoming a Super Power without the UK.

 

[Ginza]

How will Brexit go is me saying that the EU will be better off without the whiny UK government holding up the decisions making process.

Er, your point is?

Nothing really. You don't have one.

Who would whine for years, in hundreds of posts, over Brexit if they were happy to see the UK leave?

Any normal person would not do this, unless they were EXTREMELY UNHAPPY that the UK had left.

Which you obviously are.

If a small country left the EU, you wouldn't be crying for years, but because its the UK you are constantly angry and bitter.....your hopes of the EU becoming a Super power are dashed.

Get over it. I am sure the EU can substitute the Uk with some more Eastern European states.

 

[Ginza]

"Europe (including Britain) can still be a superpower"​

Europe (including Britain) can still be a superpower

The key to European power projection isn’t institutional reform, it’s a shift in attitude and a willingness to cooperate.

ecfr.eu

"I don’t think it’s likely Europe will get its act together in this way."

"Macron is the one who most clearly articulates this strategic ambition, even if his specific proposals are not always persuasive. If he could find some equally strategic and ambitious partners in Berlin, London, Madrid, Rome and other national capitals, as well as in Brussels, Europe could still aspire to be a superpower."

 

[Ginza]

Can the EU be a Super Power without the UK :

"The absence of Europe’s biggest military power (UK) from EU discussions could lead to future problems."

"Internally, the EU has seen the continued rise of populist, eurosceptic forces; a slow-down in the eurozone economy; and disagreements between leading member-states over the future direction of the Union."

"The UK fought successfully for mechanisms to ensure transparency of decision-making and give non-euro countries a voice; post-Brexit, those countries may find it harder to protect their interests."

"With Europe’s biggest pool of capital, the City of London, soon to be outside of the EU’s regulatory purview, the EU will need to decide whether to pursue an insular CMU, or instead open up its market to London and the rest of the world."

Europe without the UK: Liberated or diminished?

In 2016 the CER made ten predictions about the effect of Brexit on future EU policy. How do they stand up now, on the eve of the UK’s departure?

www.cer.eu

The EU will struggle to be a Super power without the UK.

 

[PeteEU]

Can the EU be a Super Power without the UK :

"The absence of Europe’s biggest military power (UK) from EU discussions could lead to future problems."

"Internally, the EU has seen the continued rise of populist, eurosceptic forces; a slow-down in the eurozone economy; and disagreements between leading member-states over the future direction of the Union."

"The UK fought successfully for mechanisms to ensure transparency of decision-making and give non-euro countries a voice; post-Brexit, those countries may find it harder to protect their interests."

"With Europe’s biggest pool of capital, the City of London, soon to be outside of the EU’s regulatory purview, the EU will need to decide whether to pursue an insular CMU, or instead open up its market to London and the rest of the world."

Europe without the UK: Liberated or diminished?

In 2016 the CER made ten predictions about the effect of Brexit on future EU policy. How do they stand up now, on the eve of the UK’s departure?

www.cer.eu

The EU will struggle to be a Super power without the UK.

Europe's biggest military power is France...well technically Russia, but France is the biggest in western Europe. The UK is on par with Germany in second place.

 

[Ginza]

Europe's biggest military power is France...well technically Russia, but France is the biggest in western Europe. The UK is on par with Germany in second place.

So do we believe some EU resident bitter over Brexit or the Centre for European Reform?



"The Centre for European Reform, by far the best of all EU think-tanks in London"

The Guardian

About the CER

The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work...

www.cer.eu

BTW : Germany doesn't even have nuclear weapons.