Is the AGW movement a lame duck?

[ptif219]

There is plenty of evidence. You've just decided to summarily discard it.

Even if AGW is, by some stretch of the imagination, not a factor in the climate equation, human industry is still doing plenty of other verifiable damage to the environment which makes cut backs and alternatives worth looking into.

It's an unfortunate turn of events when deniers about human impacts on the environment have unknowingly become agents of industry who have flooded the airwaves with propaganda to dissuade people from seeking change. In a way I sympathize with you because you think you are doing the rest of us a service by so heavily attacking, what you perceive to be, misinformation; but the sources you are turning to are, in of themselves, misinformation designed to mislead all of us. Do you find it the least bit curious that most of that "information" is coming out of your own country and nowhere else?

Deforestation, eutrophication, acidificaiton of oceans which causes coral bleaching and ecosystem destruction (caused by CO2: confirmed), sulfur gases causing acid rain and respiratory distress in urban areas, skyrocketing cancer rates, the list goes on: these are all products of human pollution.

It's your future, your health, and the futures and health of those who will come after you. If you have no interest in humanity changing the way it does business in the world, then it's just more nails in our collective coffin.

I refuse to let people like you fight for the rights of industry to continually and without reservation degrade the quality of my life as well as my lifespan.

Pollution controls can happen without ruining the economy or cap and trade BS.

 

[Frank Talk]

1. Link?

Here we analyse the difference between the spectra of the outgoing longwave radiation of the Earth as measured by orbiting spacecraft in 1970 and 1997. We find differences in the spectra that point to long-term changes in atmospheric CH4, CO2 and O3 as well as CFC-11 and CFC-12. Our results provide direct experimental evidence for a significant increase in the Earth's greenhouse effect that is consistent with concerns over radiative forcing of climate.

Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997 : Abstract : Nature

2. I said human C02 emissions.

Human emissions have increased atmospheric Co2 levels, if the warming is CO2 induced then human emissions must be the cause.

 

[Strucky]

:doh:doh:doh

Strucky, there is even no need to read it. I am very much aware of the fact that parts of Canada and the US experienced unusual colder temperatures this summer.

:roflYou didn't look at the link....but at least you acknowlege the lack of warming :rofl

If you have not figured out why your article is not pertinent to this discussion--or anything related to GW--then your comprehension on this issue is sorely lacking.

Do explain.

 

[Middleground]

:roflYou didn't look at the link....but at least you acknowlege the lack of warming :rofl






Do explain.

Of course I looked at the link. I just didn't have to read it because I have read similar articles relating to the same subject. :doh

As for your confusion, let me get this straight, just to make sure.

You think that unusual cooling during the summer months of 2009 in NA is indisputable fact that Global Warming is non-extant??? Is that what you're thinking? If not, then please clearly explain your reasoning for posting that article in this thread.

 

[Strucky]

Of course I looked at the link. I just didn't have to read it because I have read similar articles relating to the same subject. :doh

Ignorance is bliss.

As for your confusion,

The only one confused appears to be you.

You think that unusual cooling during the summer months of 2009 in NA is indisputable fact that Global Warming is non-extant??? Is that what you're thinking?

The summer cooling in America is but a piece of the puzzle my dear Middleground.

Here are more pieces....Perhaps you could address the content in the first link.

Russia affected by climategate

Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out

Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation

The consensus is not in

 

[ptif219]

Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997 : Abstract : Nature



Human emissions have increased atmospheric Co2 levels, if the warming is CO2 induced then human emissions must be the cause.

What is the increase and how much does it affect the temp?


Here is a solution for you.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511875/nathan_myhrvolds_anti_global_warming.html?cat=15

 

[Middleground]

Ignorance is bliss.



The only one confused appears to be you.



The summer cooling in America is but a piece of the puzzle my dear Middleground.

Here are more pieces....Perhaps you could address the content in the first link.

Russia affected by climategate

Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out

Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation

The consensus is not in

:2brickwal :2brickwal :2brickwal

Let's try this again (please take note of the bolded words):

You think that unusual cooling during the summer months of 2009 in NA is indisputable fact that Global Warming is non-extant??? Is that what you're thinking? If not, then please clearly explain your reasoning for posting that article in this thread.

Get it now? North America does not equal Global. Cuz, you see, global means the whole world. Has it sunk in yet?

So again I ask... just because it was cooler in NA this summer, does it mean that GW is non-existant to you???

 

[Strucky]

Let's try this again (please take note of the bolded words):

You think that unusual cooling during the summer months of 2009 in NA is indisputable fact that Global Warming is non-extant??? Is that what you're thinking? If not, then please clearly explain your reasoning for posting that article in this thread.

What do you think this thread is all about?

Get it now? North America does not equal Global. Cuz, you see, global means the whole world. Has it sunk in yet?

I never said NA = World....Perhaps you could point out where I said this.

So again I ask... just because it was cooler in NA this summer, does it mean that GW is non-existant to you???

Look at the pieces....They form a picture.The link you are up in arms about (and didn't read) fits right in with the OP of this thread.

 

[Orion]

Do you have any proof that the warming is being caused by human CO2 emissions?

Dude, there is plenty of evidence. It has been posted ad nauseum on these forums. You and others have just decided to dismiss every single point presented as propaganda and attempts at controlling the economy, all the while providing nothing to counter it other than the CRU scandal.

Stop asking for evidence when it's everywhere and has been shown to you time and time again. Go to the Journal of Climate and read some basic material. It's all there. Don't keep pretending there isn't anything.

You people are so paranoid. This isn't about controlling the economy, that is not the way science works.