Stop-and-Frisk is unconstitutional and an excuse to racially profile blacks and latinos in NYC, however through that same policy the police have successfully achieved the greatest gun bust in NYC history. This will certainly be used when Bloomberg and Kelly appeal the recent ruling on this policy. It supports their intentions, but it doesn't necessarily justify their actions.
When you read passages like:
"When 3 white cops tell a black teenager that he looks out of place in a Hispanic neighborhood, where he lives, something has gone horribly wrong."
It's easy to disagree with them on the subject. Do they (or you) see this as a necessary evil to protect NY citizens, or do they (or you) not view this as evil at all? Can this even be classified as an "evil"?
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Well, something has to be done in the black community.
I can accept stop and frisk might not necessarily be that something but we need to have a real discussion about just how disproportionate problems are and the left has to do more than just shout racial discrimination. We're talking about a community that makes up roughly 12% of the population but slightly more than 51% of murderers. They're failing in virtually every area of society but what is worse is they don't seem to even care about their failing unless it can somehow be blamed on a white person.
Was that sarcasm?
You said it lowers crime rates and has saved the lives of countless minorities. The thing is, there is little to no evidence that stop-and-frisk does anything at all. There certainly isn't any evidence that it saves "countless lives." Since your statement isn't based on any actual research, what are you basing it on?Nope. By taking weapons away from criminals they commit less crime and kill less people...
You said it lowers crime rates and has saved the lives of countless minorities. The thing is, there is little to no evidence that stop-and-frisk does anything at all. There certainly isn't any evidence that it saves "countless lives." Since your statement isn't based on any actual research, what are you basing it on?
Ray Kelly says stop & frisk saves lives. There’s no good evidence for that.
Research - especially peer-reviewed research - trumps "common sense" every time. Your assertions aren't supported by actual evidence. In fact, actual evidence demonstrates that your assertions are incorrect.Just seems to be common sense, to be honest. I read stuff like this and it is in line with what just makes sense.
Last year, the police seized 780 guns, suggesting that guns were recovered in roughly one in 1,000 stops.
But Mr. Bloomberg said the policy was having an equally important effect by deterring people from carrying guns.
“By making it ‘too hot to carry,’ the N.Y.P.D. is preventing guns from being carried on our streets,” he said. “That is our real goal — preventing violence before it occurs, not responding to the victims after the fact.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/n...mberg-defends-stop-and-frisk-policy.html?_r=0
Why does the left want to take the tools away from the police to prevent crime?
Why does the right want to take the freedom away from the people to "possibly" prevent crime?
Why does the right want to take the freedom away from the people to "possibly" prevent crime?
Research - especially peer-reviewed research - trumps "common sense" every time. Your assertions aren't supported by actual evidence. In fact, actual evidence demonstrates that your assertions are incorrect.
so your for criminals running around with guns unfettered?
That is the cops job.
No. But I am also for the constitution of the United States.
Terry Frisks are a useful tool of police. But NYPD is abusing that capability, and its going to turn around to bite ALL law enforcement in the ass when, eventually, there will be a legal challenge that will make it to the supreme court and Terry v. Ohio's decision will be overruled.
NYPD needs to cool it, and use Terry Frisks as the exception rather than the norm.
We don't really know that do we?
You can stop and search everyone. We call that a Police State. Let's try it for a few months and see how it works out.Making innocent people feel like criminals is bad policy.
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