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Is it possible? Yes. Is it as good or as "beneficial" as its proponents blithely assume? No. Does it work? Only in the commune, the kibbutz, or in relatively small communities where heterogeneity does not, or cannot practically exist. Wherever it's been attempted elsewhere, it inevitably fails (assuming it ever worked at all), to the utter misery of its people under the absolute tyranny of its overlords.Is socialism possible in the United States?
Is socialism possible in the United States?
Socialism is the worker direct control of the means of production. This can be via the state but if the state owns it the workers or citizens at large must have democratic control of that industry under state control."Socialism" as defined by those tenets laid down involving state-run production (sometimes conflated with "citizen ownership") stands directly opposed to private production for profit. So, no, it can never work..
Socialism is the worker direct control of the means of production. This can be via the state but if the state owns it the workers or citizens at large must have democratic control of that industry under state control.
What I mean is socialism.
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
Which sounds great on paper...
...but there is a reason we don't let children vote on what to have for supper. Please, pardon the inference, and I mean no disrespect by referring to children, but "workers" don't have a clue how to run things unless specifically trained and/or educated to be managers. There is a reason why entire fields of academic study are devoted to this one specific branch. Letting people who don't really know why or how things work call the shots is tantamount to letting a child pick their dinner every night. You're going to get pizza and icecream, right up until that kid drops dead from diabetes.
They dont know how to run things?
Tell that to the thousand of cooperative businesses and the Mondragon Corporation.
Is socialism possible in the United States?
I do not believe so.I saw specifically that Mondragon employees democratically vote on pay. What I did not see was:
Do they vote on tasks?
No i dont beleive so. They work a standard work day.Do they vote on the length of the work day?
YesDo they vote on who becomes a manager?
Yes.Do they vote on who their CEO is? Or any C-level position?
The company focus's on the area of finance, industry, and retail.Do they vote on which companies can join the co-op
Is socialism possible in the United States?
Possible? You do understand that a functioning society has to have some form of Socialism right?
The founders of Democracy had a partially socialist government. How do you think the Athenians funded their military, their roads and great public works?
The highway system that our economy depends on runs on Socialism. Congressional healthcare is Socialism. Tricare is Socialism. Police, firefighters and teachers are Socialism. The military is Socialism.
Well said!
And so they will hate you.
Yeah, when people who know what socialism is look around we realize that socialism is everywhere. In many respects I think there's too much of it. But again, most people don't even know what socialism is and so they're to ignorant to even know where to look.
But the most successful nations - in terms of modernity, standards of living, and personal freedoms - are all first-world socialized democracies, each with very significant levels of socialism...
...whereas those nations with little or no socialism are all - all! - third-world nations.
You might not like socialism, and you might like to get rid of it...but it's those socialized democracies that are the most successful...and the most libertarian nations (which are libertarian by nature if not by choice) are all third-world nations.
The definition of "Third World" means unaligned with NATO or the former Soviet bloc. Brazil is a Third World Nation, along with Sweden and Finland.
The term you are looking for is "developing nation." According to the IMF, there are three countries in Africa, several small spots in eastern Europe, and North Korea.
Third World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Developing country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You beat me to it.Of course it is. And it is pretty much the inevitable direction that we're going in. The last five hundred years have been a continual march away from aristocracy and towards egalitarianism. The next five hundred are likely to be no different. That's the direction humanity is going in. I don't know how far behind or ahead the United States will be, or even if there will be a United States. But the world is basically only going to get more egalitarian unless we do something insane like have a nuclear war and destroy civilization. And even then, it might still.
I saw socialism, I saw capitalism - I do not like neither, and I know that both systems were controlled by the same international bankers. If you want something better, you have to look deeper into the problem than any given system or political party.Is socialism possible in the United States?
Is socialism possible in the United States?
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