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"Based on historical data and more than 50 years of NORAD tracking information, we believe that Santa Claus is alive and well" - NORAD
Official NORAD Santa Tracker
you're joking, right?
you are using NORAD's ficticious "tracking" of Santa, to be evidence that he actually exists????????????
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Sure it is...
If the quote is tangible then it isn't ficticious... you are just scared to believe.
Just to make it clear, we're talking about:
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And not:
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The top one, other than the guy in the suit, does not exist.
I scared...to believe in Santa Claus?????
:lamo:lamo:lamo
dude, Santa isn't real. Rudoph isn't real. No sled flies through the sky pulled by magical rheindeer.
if you believe in these things, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.
I suggest you catch up...
Well, that fat old guy on top is one aspect of what we are talking about, at least.
Are you imagining father Christmas? Have you seen pictures of him? Have you seen people dress up as him? Where these complete nothingness? Then in some sense Father Christmas is real.I'd like to see evidence that Santa Claus is real.
No, it's the only aspect. Ask any kid who Santa Claus is and he'll tell you about the guy in the red suit. I can pretty much guarantee they won't tell you about medieval Christian saints.
In some sense, but not really.Are you imagining father Christmas? Have you seen pictures of him? Have you seen people dress up as him? Where these complete nothingness? Then in some sense Father Christmas is real.
You contradict yourself. In the definition of real as not nothing, then something is either real or it is not, indeed it generally is real because nothing cannot be conceived, so if you can conceive it it is not nothing. Only say a four-sided triangle or some other contradiction or logical impossibility, which can't even be conceived and are pure impossibility, would be something we can give words to but are nothing.In some sense, but not really.
"real" as in "is or has been existant outside ones mind". "In some sense" as in the shared tradition and mental concepts. We, as a culture, have given attributes to someone who, though partially based on a real person, is mostly made up. Concepts themselves can be real as concepts even if they refer to things that havent ever existed (i.e. haven't ever been real).You contradict yourself. In the definition of real as not nothing, then something is either real or it is not, indeed it generally is real because nothing cannot be conceived, so if you can conceive it it is not nothing. Only say a four-sided triangle or some other contradiction or logical impossibility, which can't even be conceived and are pure impossibility, would be something we can give words to but are nothing.
"real" as in "is or has been existant outside ones mind". "In some sense" as in the shared tradition and mental concepts. We, as a culture, have given attributes to someone who, though partially based on a real person, is mostly made up. Concepts themselves can be real as concepts even if they refer to things that havent ever existed (i.e. haven't ever been real).
Now you get it. The idea of something is not the thing itself.You are simply using the word real in a different way to me. By real I mean not nothing. Father Christmas, as an idea and a concept is not nothing. I do not simply mean, by real, something that exists as corporeal thing or being.
Now you get it. The idea of something is not the thing itself.
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