Oh goodie, this discussion.
You have to understand -- lying and cheating were considered acceptable in Soviet culture. You know how here, in the USA, students get in trouble for cheating? Well the psychology for my parents was totally different. It was almost expected that you would cheat, bribe the instructor, and generally behave in a dishonest fashion. That's how people operate survive under a centralized, repressive state....and Russia has had one of those for centuries.
Well that certainly explains Russian women. They are EVIL!
Pfft. Don't whine because your bitch-control game was weak.impdaddy:
EDIT: Wow...it didn't censor that.
You have to understand -- lying and cheating were considered acceptable in Soviet culture. You know how here, in the USA, students get in trouble for cheating? Well the psychology for my parents was totally different. It was almost expected that you would cheat, bribe the instructor, and generally behave in a dishonest fashion. That's how people operate survive under a centralized, repressive state....and Russia has had one of those for centuries.
Isn't the lying and cheating culture still much the same, despite the change in political structure?
Well yeah that's my point, if you read the whole post.
Russia is still a dictatorship, but it's much more well run now. The economy is doing well, and you're not really in any danger from the government unless you directly screw with Bad Vlad. It's actually one of the best dictatorships in history, IMO.
celticwar17 said:In the Soviet Union there was killing and basically slave labor.
They have become a lot more globalized now too, instead of so secluded
Jeezy said:Economically, things are certainly much better.
People are free to practice their religions, which is also a good thing.
I didnt say there was slave labor, but pretty much there was under the communist state. Much like people say about the Chinese making their citizens have pretty much slave labor.There's killing in every country on earth.
There wasn't slave labor in the USSR.
The USSR wasn't secluded whatsoever. Your entire post makes no sense at all.
celticwar17 said:I didnt say there was slave labor, but pretty much there was under the communist state. Much like people say about the Chinese making their citizens have pretty much slave labor.
And yes they were secluded. But you do not know what i mean by secluded. They were a lot more culturally exclusive/nationalist before and now they have let up on that a good amount, letting globalization come in and expose themselves to a lot more new and different things. Before... NOTHING was coming in or out of that country!
-_- your passion for the soviet union clouds your mind enough to overlook simple statements.
No, you fail to know the use of my language. Pretty much slave labor, is working for wages that is "pretty much" nothing so it might as well be slave labor, and absolutely not enough to provide for oneself. So in terms of that, the soviet Union system was actually worse then slave labor for a lot of the population because at least slaves generally get provided food/ shelter.There isn't "pretty much slave labor". Either there is slave labor or there is not. Slave labor is not based on a quantitative scale, it's a specific qualitative thing.
"Seclusion" isn't based on whether or not western capital is allowed to penetrate a country.
celticwar17 said:No, you fail to know the use of my language. Pretty much slave labor, is working for wages that is "pretty much" nothing so it might as well be slave labor, and absolutely not enough to provide for oneself. So in terms of that, the soviet Union system was actually worse then slave labor for a lot of the population because at least slaves generally get provided food/ shelter.
It wasn't just western capital, it was cultural materials from ANYWHERE other then the communist state. Nothing was allowed to leave or enter in order to keep the population culturally brainwashed.
What do you think of Russia?
Is it getting better? Or getting worse? Or is it the same as in Soviet Days.?
IMO Russia has level with the USSR. It has gotten better in economics and freeoms, but losing out in corruption and how much the government actually cares about its people.
Slave labor means that one is owned and does labor for their owner. One does not get a wage in slave labor. You are using emotionally charged yet meaningless rhetoric. If you want to talk about the wages in the USSR and how low they were then talk about it and cite your sources and stop using whiny emotionally charged rhetoric.
Ah, so you meant globalization in the cultural sense. This is still wrong, simply because of the fact that the Soviet Union was not "isolated" even if it didn't let anything from western Europe in (which also isn't true, but let's say it is for the sake of showing how wrong you are).
That is an opinion :roll:Ah, so you meant globalization in the cultural sense. This is still wrong, simply because of the fact that the Soviet Union was not "isolated" even if it didn't let anything from western Europe in (which also isn't true, but let's say it is for the sake of showing how wrong you are).
OMG... that is not even close to the POINT! it flew millions of miles past your head.Slave labor means that one is owned and does labor for their owner. One does not get a wage in slave labor. You are using emotionally charged yet meaningless rhetoric. If you want to talk about the wages in the USSR and how low they were then talk about it and cite your sources and stop using whiny emotionally charged rhetoric.
What do you think of Russia?
Is it getting better? Or getting worse? Or is it the same as in Soviet Days.?
IMO Russia has level with the USSR. It has gotten better in economics and freeoms, but losing out in corruption and how much the government actually cares about its people.
Molotok said:But the important part of this post is to say that the Soviet Union wasn't bad.
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