Is restricting/banning abortion equivalent to chattel slavery?

[Antiwar]

Is restricting/banning abortion equivalent to chattel slavery? Pick whichever poll option is closest.

 

[choiceone]

I don't know how to vote on this, because banning abortion means the state has the power and interest to force women to continue pregnancies. If the women don't have the money to leave the state to get an abortion elsewhere, that is treating female residents as if they are controlled by the state. That is certainly slavery of a kind. And for minors, if they don't have a right to leave the state to get an abortion even with parental consent, that is certainly slavery, too.

But I don't see how this is chattel slavery. Technically, an adult woman could just walk across the border of the state, despite the financial hardship. Once in a pro-choice state, she could seek help and the pro-choice state wouldn't have to return her to the original state. You might have to give up your possessions to leave, but that would make the hardship something other than chattel slavery.

It could certainly be considered another kind of slavery. And I don't think it would be a "lesser" kind, because some women die of medically unforeseeable complications in late pregnancy and childbirth, so the state would be forcing women to risk death, to say nothing of disablement or disease.

 

[Mycroft]

Is restricting/banning abortion equivalent to chattel slavery? Pick whichever poll option is closest.

chattel slavery​

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noun
the enslaving and owning of human beings and their offspring as property, able to be bought, sold, and forced to work without wages, as distinguished from other systems of forced, unpaid, or low-wage labor also considered to be slavery.

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No.

 

[Lursa]

By removing a woman's consent to that choice for her life, (pregnancy/childbirth effects her entire life, every day, her future, not just to save her life) and bodily autonomy (4th Amendment "security of the person"), self-determination, liberty, etc. states are doing exactly what was done to the American slaves.

We ended slavery for the same reasons. What justifies violating women's rights that way?

 

[Antiwar]

By removing a woman's consent to that choice for her life, (pregnancy/childbirth effects her entire life, every day, her future, not just to save her life) and bodily autonomy (4th Amendment "security of the person"), self-determination, liberty, etc. states are doing exactly what was done to the American slaves.

We ended slavery for the same reasons. What justifies violating women's rights that way?

By using some of what you said, a good case could probably be made that abortion restrictions have some parallels to chattel slavery. "States are doing exactly what was done to American slaves" doesn't work, especially because of the absolute term 'exactly.'

 

[Lursa]

By using some of what you said, a good case could probably be made that abortion restrictions have some parallels to chattel slavery. "States are doing exactly what was done to American slaves" doesn't work, especially because of the absolute term 'exactly.'

What's not exactly the same?

 

[vegas giants]

Is restricting/banning abortion equivalent to chattel slavery? Pick whichever poll option is closest.

No. Utterly ridiculous

 

[vegas giants]

By removing a woman's consent to that choice for her life, (pregnancy/childbirth effects her entire life, every day, her future, not just to save her life) and bodily autonomy (4th Amendment "security of the person"), self-determination, liberty, etc. states are doing exactly what was done to the American slaves.

We ended slavery for the same reasons. What justifies violating women's rights that way?

It's slavery!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hahahahahaha

 

[Antiwar]

What's not exactly the same?

There are many more things that aren't the same than things that are similar. Chattel slaves were forced to work and received very little for the 'fruits of their labor.' Abortion restrictions aren't forcing anyone to work- they're mainly restricting access to abortion. If states start forcing women to get pregnant and putting them in some type of "pregnancy prisons" to have babies for their owners or their owner's agent, then that's getting quite a bit closer to being like chattel slavery.

 

[Lursa]

There are many more things that aren't the same than things that are the same. Chattel slaves were forced to work and received very little for the 'fruits of their labor.' Abortion restrictions aren't forcing anyone to work, they're mainly restricting access to abortion. If states start forcing women to get pregnant and putting them in some type of "pregnancy prisons" to have babies for their owners or their owner's agent, then that's getting quite a bit closer to being like chattel slavery.

If we as a society condoned violating all the rights I mentioned for women, all of those things become possible again. What's stopping it? It seems like we already are re: abortion.

This is why I ask for justification of violating those rights, if anyone can present that.

 

[vegas giants]

This is exactly like kidnapping people from Africa, breaking apart families, sell each member individually to work against their will for hours in a field. Lol

 

[j brown's body]

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chattel slavery​

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noun​

the enslaving and owning of human beings and their offspring as property, able to be bought, sold, and forced to work without wages, as distinguished from other systems of forced, unpaid, or low-wage labor also considered to be slavery.​

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No.

The state owns a pregnant woman's body. Anti-abortion laws strip women if freedom.

 

[Antiwar]

If we as a society condoned violating all the rights I mentioned for women, all of those things become possible again. What's stopping it? It seems like we already are re: abortion.

This is why I ask for justification of violating those rights, if anyone can present that.

Some current "state's rights" to excessively restrict abortion is one parallel to chattel slavery. It sucks, and it shouldn't be happening. Many Republican politicians are doing it, and it very much seems like they're doing it to try to keep their disparate base satisfied enough so that Republican politicians can stay in power. Many Republican politicians are very much 'gamers' or 'breakers' of American political systems.

 

[j brown's body]

There are many more things that aren't the same than things that are similar. Chattel slaves were forced to work and received very little for the 'fruits of their labor.' Abortion restrictions aren't forcing anyone to work- they're mainly restricting access to abortion. If states start forcing women to get pregnant and putting them in some type of "pregnancy prisons" to have babies for their owners or their owner's agent, then that's getting quite a bit closer to being like chattel slavery.

Anti-abortion laws force pregnant women to work in motherhood, a 24/7 job, receiving nothing for the fruits of their labor.

 

[vegas giants]

They put a new stop sign in my neighborhood


It's practically slavery

 

[j brown's body]

Is restricting/banning abortion equivalent to chattel slavery? Pick whichever poll option is closest.

Interesting that black women benefit the most from abortion. They suffer the most from anti-abortion laws. A nice crime to pin on black people. But its not racist. Its just natural.

 

[vegas giants]

When everything is slavery and nazis.....nothing is slavery and Nazis

 

[Mycroft]

The state owns a pregnant woman's body. Anti-abortion laws strip women if freedom.

No. They don't. And no. It doesn't.

Women still decide if they are going to get pregnant and they still decide if they are going to give birth.

 

[choiceone]

There are many more things that aren't the same than things that are similar. Chattel slaves were forced to work and received very little for the 'fruits of their labor.' Abortion restrictions aren't forcing anyone to work- they're mainly restricting access to abortion. If states start forcing women to get pregnant and putting them in some type of "pregnancy prisons" to have babies for their owners or their owner's agent, then that's getting quite a bit closer to being like chattel slavery.

This is ridiculous. A pregnant woman's body is working 24/7 to care for the embryo/fetus, constantly providing oxygen and nutrients from her bloodstream, constantly providing a place, her blood, into which the placenta dumps its waste, constantly carrying it as an increasingly heavy burden. In one pregnancy and childbirth, a woman's cells age 11 years in 9 months. That IS physical labor. What's more, they're not paid for it and labor laws limiting how many hours/days/months without a break are utterly violated. Then men come along and say, "It's not work."

That's the best reason I can think of for women to say, "I don't want to have sex any more and take a chance on getting pregnant. If you know so much, do it your-f---ing-self!"

Nonetheless, it isn't chattel slavery. It IS indentured labor, however.

 

[j brown's body]

No. They don't. And no. It doesn't.

Women still decide if they are going to get pregnant and they still decide if they are going to give birth.

How do pregnant women in anti-abortion states get yo decide if they are going to give birth?

 

[choiceone]

Interesting that black women benefit the most from abortion. They suffer the most from anti-abortion laws. A nice crime to pin on black people. But its not racist. Its just natural.

The minute you make a law forcing women to continue pregnancies, pregnancy is no longer natural, because in a state of nature, the woman could receive and the doctor could perform an abortion. Even chimpanzees consume leaves with abortifacient properties. As natural humans, people have been using abortifacients and performing abortions for thousands of years.

 

[j brown's body]

The minute you make a law forcing women to continue pregnancies, pregnancy is no longer natural, because in a state of nature, the woman could receive and the doctor could perform an abortion. Even chimpanzees consume leaves with abortifacient properties. As natural humans, people have been using abortifacients and performing abortions for thousands of years.

That is touched on here:

The Racist History of Abortion and Midwifery Bans | ACLU

Today’s attacks on abortion access have a long history rooted in white supremacy.

www.aclu.org

 

[choiceone]

When everything is slavery and nazis.....nothing is slavery and Nazis

Not everything is slavery and nazis. Lots of Republicans ARE neo-Nazis. And more Republicans are sympathizers of Hitler, Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites and racists, and they are certainly anti-abortion re white women.

Indentured labor is a form of slavery. So is so-called white slavery - sex slavery of trafficking women and girls as prostitutes. This forced pregnancy crap is certainly an attempt at a form of slavery. Otherwise, why would Missouri spend so much legislature time trying to make laws to prevent pregnant women from crossing into pro-choice states to get abortions?

 

[choiceone]

How do pregnant women in anti-abortion states get yo decide if they are going to give birth?

There are all sorts of anti-choice people who conveniently ignore rape every time they make a post.

 

[noonereal]

Is restricting/banning abortion equivalent to chattel slavery? Pick whichever poll option is closest.

A moronic poll.

Peace