Holy wars happen because people want to enforce their religion onto others. Man is the root of all evil.Nemo said:Religion is the root of all evil.
Nemo said:Religion is the root of all evil.
guns_God_glory said:Religion is a virus? Ummmm OK. What kind of virus spreads love? What kind of virus gives such hope? Even if you think God doesn't exist you should still recognize that it is impossible live without religion.
Arch Enemy said:Which brings me to the question.
God doesn't exist for "love", God never existed for "love". People in biblical times never "loved" God, they feared the "Wrath of God"... I haven't see one time (before the coming of "Christ") where it says "and he fell down on his knees claiming his "love" for God".
guns_God_glory said:Even if you think God doesn't exist you should still recognize that it is impossible live without religion.
guns_God_glory said:Well does religion spread love?
guns_God_glory said:Religion is a virus? Ummmm OK. What kind of virus spreads love? What kind of virus gives such hope? Even if you think God doesn't exist you should still recognize that it is impossible live without religion.
V.I. Lenin said:Religion is quite the intresting thing. While I must agree with what my signature states, allow me to try and understand. Religion, in a very simple form, is fine. If you want to strive to be a better person and a 2,000 year old book helps you, so be it. But when you wish to push this religion on others, then the line must be drawn. Religion imposes it's own set of morals and unwritten laws that it's followers expect the masses to follow. When the masses do not follow them, or are of a different religion, the religious expect the people to still listen to them. What I'm trying to get at is that those with religion, the majority, think of their's as the ultimate and true religion. They wish to convert and lead those who do not see things their own way. This I have a problem with.
ghost said:And im with him on this one. Religion should never be forced. It should be taken freely. What did a jihad ever proove?
Arch Enemy said:Like-wise, what did a crusade ever prove? Jihads have been used for Good in the past, more recently the invasion of Afghanistan by Russia.
Ever since for the beginning of warfare, soldiers have been chewing at the bit looking for a reason on why they still fight for others and not only for their selves. The ideas of "Holy Wars" are a great way to raise the morale of soldiers, it gives them the illusion that they're not dying for nothing, yet they're defending their religion. The problem with the Christian "Holy Wars" is because it's been mainly on the aggressive side. We have no business invading Jerusalem, we've never had any business there... the only ones who deserve to share Jerusalem are the Jews and the Muslims.
Arch Enemy said:I love your signature/quote Lenin, makes very much sense.
ghost said:Wars have never proved anything but military might. But as plato once said. Only the dead have seen the end of war. Wich leads me say that the jews and muslims will never share jeruselem. The might make peace for a short time, but one side will falter and that will all go up in smoke.
There will be dead on the streets of jeruselem for the rest of eternity. Ive been there. Ive seen it in all its wonders. Just the sheer beuty of it would be enough for either side to fight over it. But the truth be told. The holy land is for everyone. Because land can be taken over at any time.
But the souls of the people will always stay. Wich is why there will always be hate between them.
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