Ahlevah:
You have posted this in the wrong forum. In order to contrast Russia and the other country which you mentioned, this thread should be in the Israeli/Palestinian subforum. DP forum rules forbid discussions like this in any other forum. You might consider contacting a moderator to have it moved there so that others can comment.
Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
The problem here is: how do you define a ethnic Ukrainian. Take Zelensky as an example. He is a Russophone, from eastern Ukraine. Comes from a place where everyone basically speak Russian. Still he identifies as Ukrainian as do many Russophones in Ukraine. The border between Russian and Ukrainian identity is fluid, even Ukrainian speakers speak closely related language to Russian, and Russians and Ukrainians can understand each other quite well. Many Ukrainians have family and relatives in Russia, there' are plenty of Ukrainians living in Russia. How do you pick Russian and Ukrainian apart?
Ahlevah:Can't find it. Can you quote that specific rule, please?
Ahlevah:
See:
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First paragraph, second sentence IIRC.
Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
Putin's aim is to prevent NATO/US from getting on the territory of Ukraine.
Any other aspects are not of much concern(russians and ukrainians have the same roots in the kievan rus, it doesn't even make sense to talk about "russification" as they're not genuinely different people with different cultures)
It seems like the sort of mass terror he's inflicting in Ukrainian cities is designed to drive people out. So I wouldn't be surprised if he takes a page out of Israel's book and drives out the modern-day Palestinians, the Ukrainians, in order to make room for ethnic Russians. Maybe Putin is thinking big, as in really big, and in more literal terms when he refers to a Greater Russia. I'm having a hard time distinguishing between a 20th Century Zionist and a 21st Century Irredentist.
The two topics seem to be entirely unrelated.
Ukraine, as an independent state with certain territorial ambitions, represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia.
The topic I’m focusing on is the possibility that Putin is playing a long game to basically erase Ukraine from the map and incorporate the country’s territory into Russia proper. We can’t dismiss the possibility that Putin’s plan is a Russian version of Andrew Jackson’s American expansion plans of clearing the land of “Indians,” either by removing them or through extermination. I’m not sure what all the Russian concept of Manifest Destiny would include or what it would entail, but it would be something like that. But call it what you want. Some would call it genocide.
Now, assuming any aspect of what I’ve asserted is true, and its humanitarian consequences are horrible to contemplate, the question for the West is how far is it willing to go to stop it, especially considering that Vladimir Putin up to this point has not had a reverse gear and has made undefined threats against outside interference in his “special military operation” in Ukraine?
The post to which I responded presented as parallel the actions of Israel to protect itself from terror attacks with Russia's imperialist and genocidal war of aggression into Ukraine.
This response omits mention of Israel.
Putin's aim is to prevent NATO/US from getting on the territory of Ukraine.
I was reminded that discussions of Israel are to be confined to the appropriate forum, and apparently this isn’t it. In retrospect, I probably shouldn’t have brought up the comparison and focused instead on Russia, since it would only tend to serve as a distraction. My intention was to demonstrate how an initially marginalized movement based on historical events can move into the mainstream and influence geopolitical events and the redrawing of maps, even culminating in accusations of genocide.
In the case of Russia, we really need to examine the role among the Russian military and political elite of the Eurasian movement in the context of not just Ukraine, but the country’s entire approach to geopolitics. The fact that Dugin was sponsored by a Russian defense minister and general of the army and his most influential book is a textbook in the Russian senior military staff college should tell us something on that measure.
If we’re to help Ukraine, we’ll need to know and understand the forces motivating the Russians, what their endgame is, and how far they’re willing to go to achieve it.
That is, perhaps, true.
However, in a previous post, I compared the murderous attack on Ukraine and the concurrent rape to the murderous attack on the New York lady in 1964 and her concurrent rape.
While understanding the complexities and importance of the motivations of the murderous rapist might be desirable, stopping the murder and rape seems to be more urgent.
Of course, I could be wrong.
What if the rapist has thousands of nuclear weapons arrayed against you and your friends?
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