Is prostitution a victimless crime?

[haymarket]

Let us say you live in an otherwise peaceful and almost sleepy neighborhood. This is almost Norman Rockwell come to life and you are extremely happy there. A woman moves in to a house and soon neighbors are talking since it seems she is turning tricks - is a prostitute - and has no shortage of customers. Business is so good that a few of her coworkers come periodically to lighten her workload.

They often forget to shut curtains or drapes and the neighbor kids are getting quite the education. Sex acts sometimes are performed outside of the house on the grounds or patio. Women out for a stroll have men in cars slow down and make them feel uncomfortable and sometimes make obscene gestures or inappropriate comments. Complaints are made to the police but people are told it is a low priority since it is a victimless crime.

Months go by and what used to be the most desirable neighborhood in town is now falling fast and property values have dipped seriously. Houses which used to sell in thirty days or less are now on the market for months and even dropping the price 30% gets no buyers once they discover the neighborhood secret.

The entire social environment of the place has changed and not for the better.

So the question is this: if prostitution is said to be a victimless crime - are not these people the victim here?

 

[The German]

If you were traffict by a criminal organisation into a brothel after paying to get smuggeld into that country and having to pay a "dept" to the brothel owners for having you brought into the country where the brothel is, then the prostetute is a victim and the crime is prosecuted with a slavery charge.

At least that is the main concern about prostetution here in Europe.

 

[Chocolate]

Let us say you live in an otherwise peaceful and almost sleepy neighborhood. This is almost Norman Rockwell come to life and you are extremely happy there. A woman moves in to a house and soon neighbors are talking since it seems she is turning tricks - is a prostitute - and has no shortage of customers. Business is so good that a few of her coworkers come periodically to lighten her workload.

They often forget to shut curtains or drapes and the neighbor kids are getting quite the education. Sex acts sometimes are performed outside of the house on the grounds or patio. Women out for a stroll have men in cars slow down and make them feel uncomfortable and sometimes make obscene gestures or inappropriate comments. Complaints are made to the police but people are told it is a low priority since it is a victimless crime.

Months go by and what used to be the most desirable neighborhood in town is now falling fast and property values have dipped seriously. Houses which used to sell in thirty days or less are now on the market for months and even dropping the price 30% gets no buyers once they discover the neighborhood secret.

The entire social environment of the place has changed and not for the better.

So the question is this: if prostitution is said to be a victimless crime - are not these people the victim here?

Why do you make the assumption that these sexual acts will be public? with the curtain open? outside? on the patio? any sexually active person or even a married couple can do this it's inappropriate and cause hurt a developing community I don't see how money aka prostition plays the slightest role in your story.... prostitution in asia is a thing and it is behind closed doors it's not destroying any community as far as I am aware. I think you should be able to make love with anyone for any reason aslong as both are consenting adults of course

 

[Chocolate]

If you were traffict by a criminal organisation into a brothel after paying to get smuggeld into that country and having to pay a "dept" to the brothel owners for having you brought into the country where the brothel is, then the prostetute is a victim and the crime is prosecuted with a slavery charge.

At least that is the main concern about prostetution here in Europe.

I kind of feel there are alot of factors in this but I agree with your post

 

[Chaddelamancha]

It seems to me that prostitution should mirror alcohol. If it was served at legal establishments, and regulated by states, then it wouldn't have any worse effects than say a tavern and/or a strip club. We continue to treat it like a criminal act, then it will retain all the negatives that come with a criminal act.

 

[specklebang]

Let us say you live in an otherwise peaceful and almost sleepy neighborhood. This is almost Norman Rockwell come to life and you are extremely happy there. A woman moves in to a house and soon neighbors are talking since it seems she is turning tricks - is a prostitute - and has no shortage of customers. Business is so good that a few of her coworkers come periodically to lighten her workload.

They often forget to shut curtains or drapes and the neighbor kids are getting quite the education. Sex acts sometimes are performed outside of the house on the grounds or patio. Women out for a stroll have men in cars slow down and make them feel uncomfortable and sometimes make obscene gestures or inappropriate comments. Complaints are made to the police but people are told it is a low priority since it is a victimless crime.

Months go by and what used to be the most desirable neighborhood in town is now falling fast and property values have dipped seriously. Houses which used to sell in thirty days or less are now on the market for months and even dropping the price 30% gets no buyers once they discover the neighborhood secret.

The entire social environment of the place has changed and not for the better.

So the question is this: if prostitution is said to be a victimless crime - are not these people the victim here?

What does prostitution have to do with your question? The actions you are concerned with have nothing at all to do with whether anyone paid anyone.

Prostitution in normal circumstances is absolutely a victimless crime. If there are criminal actions associated with it, those are crimes in their own right and have no relationship to prostitution itself. If the prostitute is there against her will, this is kidnapping. If the prostitute fails to close their curtains, this is public indecency. If there are public activities in the house, this violates business licensing law. But normal prostitution, defined as exchanging money for sex, is completely victimless.

 

[americanwoman]

Losing taxable income is never a victimless crime to the government. I find this situation hard to believe.

Also if such blantant acts are occuring, why not record it and send it to the news station if the police don't believe you or won't respond to complaints. That'll get 'em going.


edit: I also want to point out most of the posters above have already made several good points about legal prostitution.

 

[jaeger19]

What does prostitution have to do with your question? The actions you are concerned with have nothing at all to do with whether anyone paid anyone.

Prostitution in normal circumstances is absolutely a victimless crime. If there are criminal actions associated with it, those are crimes in their own right and have no relationship to prostitution itself. If the prostitute is there against her will, this is kidnapping. If the prostitute fails to close their curtains, this is public indecency. If there are public activities in the house, this violates business licensing law. But normal prostitution, defined as exchanging money for sex, is completely victimless.

I agree. well said

 

[Phil E Buster]

Let us say you live in an otherwise peaceful and almost sleepy neighborhood. This is almost Norman Rockwell come to life and you are extremely happy there. A woman moves in to a house and soon neighbors are talking since it seems she is turning tricks - is a prostitute - and has no shortage of customers. Business is so good that a few of her coworkers come periodically to lighten her workload.

They often forget to shut curtains or drapes and the neighbor kids are getting quite the education. Sex acts sometimes are performed outside of the house on the grounds or patio. Women out for a stroll have men in cars slow down and make them feel uncomfortable and sometimes make obscene gestures or inappropriate comments. Complaints are made to the police but people are told it is a low priority since it is a victimless crime.

Months go by and what used to be the most desirable neighborhood in town is now falling fast and property values have dipped seriously. Houses which used to sell in thirty days or less are now on the market for months and even dropping the price 30% gets no buyers once they discover the neighborhood secret.

The entire social environment of the place has changed and not for the better.

So the question is this: if prostitution is said to be a victimless crime - are not these people the victim here?

Are we talking legal prostitution or the current criminal variety? If prostitution was legal, zoning laws would take care of your issues. If you are talking about the illegal kind, Youtube what's going on and eventually it will get solved. And most HOA's would pretty much forbid that type of thing anyway. So there's that too.

 

[Perotista]

What does prostitution have to do with your question? The actions you are concerned with have nothing at all to do with whether anyone paid anyone.

Prostitution in normal circumstances is absolutely a victimless crime. If there are criminal actions associated with it, those are crimes in their own right and have no relationship to prostitution itself. If the prostitute is there against her will, this is kidnapping. If the prostitute fails to close their curtains, this is public indecency. If there are public activities in the house, this violates business licensing law. But normal prostitution, defined as exchanging money for sex, is completely victimless.

As a friend of mine who engaged a bunch of prostitutes once said, "I do not pay for the sex, I pay for the right to walk away in the morning a free man with no obligations."

I agree with your summation of prostitution.

 

[haymarket]

Why do you make the assumption that these sexual acts will be public? with the curtain open? outside? on the patio? any sexually active person or even a married couple can do this it's inappropriate and cause hurt a developing community I don't see how money aka prostition plays the slightest role in your story.... prostitution in asia is a thing and it is behind closed doors it's not destroying any community as far as I am aware. I think you should be able to make love with anyone for any reason aslong as both are consenting adults of course

I am simply telling you the components of the situation.

 

[haymarket]

What does prostitution have to do with your question?

Because these are the activities associated with the prostitution. They are part and parcel of it.

 

[specklebang]

Because these are the activities associated with the prostitution. They are part and parcel of it.

Part and parcel? That is a very, very weak argument. You might as well claim that car ownership can be connected to getaway cars from a bank robbery. You know what? It is true. Make cars illegal and you will demobilize all criminals.

Indeed, you anti-prostitution stance is even weaker than the car stance is. I can think of dozens of crimes that are facilitated by cars. What exactly does Prostitution facilitate? Absolutely nothing. Closing your curtains when naked is appropriate for all. Slavery, in case you hadn't noticed, is unlawful.

 

[haymarket]

Part and parcel? That is a very, very weak argument. You might as well claim that car ownership can be connected to getaway cars from a bank robbery. You know what? It is true. Make cars illegal and you will demobilize all criminals.

Indeed, you anti-prostitution stance is even weaker than the car stance is. I can think of dozens of crimes that are facilitated by cars. What exactly does Prostitution facilitate? Absolutely nothing. Closing your curtains when naked is appropriate for all. Slavery, in case you hadn't noticed, is unlawful.

Like it or not - it comes with the territory.

 

[scatt]

Like it or not - it comes with the territory.

It is indeed a victimless crime.

 

[Chocolate]

Like it or not - it comes with the territory.

According to your argument so does marriage lets make that against the wall they may **** in public :doh

 

[haymarket]

According to your argument so does marriage lets make that against the wall they may **** in public :doh

Do you know the difference between a forest and a tree?

 

[scatt]

Do you know the difference between a forest and a tree?

Do you know the difference between a victim and your feelings getting hurt?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Let us say you live in an otherwise peaceful and almost sleepy neighborhood. This is almost Norman Rockwell come to life and you are extremely happy there. A woman moves in to a house and soon neighbors are talking since it seems she is turning tricks - is a prostitute - and has no shortage of customers. Business is so good that a few of her coworkers come periodically to lighten her workload.

They often forget to shut curtains or drapes and the neighbor kids are getting quite the education. Sex acts sometimes are performed outside of the house on the grounds or patio. Women out for a stroll have men in cars slow down and make them feel uncomfortable and sometimes make obscene gestures or inappropriate comments. Complaints are made to the police but people are told it is a low priority since it is a victimless crime.

Months go by and what used to be the most desirable neighborhood in town is now falling fast and property values have dipped seriously. Houses which used to sell in thirty days or less are now on the market for months and even dropping the price 30% gets no buyers once they discover the neighborhood secret.

The entire social environment of the place has changed and not for the better.

So the question is this: if prostitution is said to be a victimless crime - are not these people the victim here?

What the hell neighborhood is this? The red light district?

Is this that old racist "there goes the neighborhood" tripe repackaged?

Regular sex is legal and you don't see people doing it in public do you? Why would this occur with prostitution? Have you heard of this occurring where prostitution is legal? Stop victim hunting.

 

[scatt]

Is this that old racist "there goes the neighborhood" tripe repackaged?

You better believe it, he feels they are beneath him, morally speaking.

 

[Bodi]

Let us say you live in an otherwise peaceful and almost sleepy neighborhood. This is almost Norman Rockwell come to life and you are extremely happy there. A woman moves in to a house and soon neighbors are talking since it seems she is turning tricks - is a prostitute - and has no shortage of customers. Business is so good that a few of her coworkers come periodically to lighten her workload.

They often forget to shut curtains or drapes and the neighbor kids are getting quite the education. Sex acts sometimes are performed outside of the house on the grounds or patio. Women out for a stroll have men in cars slow down and make them feel uncomfortable and sometimes make obscene gestures or inappropriate comments. Complaints are made to the police but people are told it is a low priority since it is a victimless crime.

Months go by and what used to be the most desirable neighborhood in town is now falling fast and property values have dipped seriously. Houses which used to sell in thirty days or less are now on the market for months and even dropping the price 30% gets no buyers once they discover the neighborhood secret.

The entire social environment of the place has changed and not for the better.

So the question is this: if prostitution is said to be a victimless crime - are not these people the victim here?

Running a business in a residential neighborhood is generally not legal... if the business is in a business district then who would even know about it, much less care?

 

[haymarket]

What the hell neighborhood is this? The red light district?

Is this that old racist "there goes the neighborhood" tripe repackaged?

Regular sex is legal and you don't see people doing it in public do you? Why would this occur with prostitution? Have you heard of this occurring where prostitution is legal? Stop victim hunting.

i have described the situation in the neighborhood. I regret that it does not conform to your own particular ideological fantasy world where behavior occurs in a test tube and there are no consequences outside of that isolated test tube.

 

[haymarket]

Where is the concern for the sacred PROPERTY RIGHTS of the people in this neighborhood?

 

[scatt]

Where is the concern for the sacred PROPERTY RIGHTS of the people in this neighborhood?

What property "rights" are you claiming were broken?

 

[Bodi]

Where is the concern for the sacred PROPERTY RIGHTS of the people in this neighborhood?

Why have you ignored my comment about residential neighborhoods?

Your local planning or zoning department has probably established zones for stores and offices (commercial zones), factories (industrial zones), and houses (residential zones). In some residential areas -- especially in affluent communities -- local zoning ordinances prohibit all types of business. In the great majority of municipalities, however, residential zoning laws allow small, non-polluting home businesses, as long as any home containing a business is used primarily as a residence and the business activities don't negatively affect neighbors.

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