On my science forum this question was asked and the responses were as I would expect.
I thought I'd ask the average Joe. What do you think?
Is philosophy crap?
Just farcical indulgences of the mind?
Or
Is it often of profound insights and of great value to our being?
Or something inbetween?
I mean, science is pretty useless without a philosophical framework to interpret it with, no?for me, as a scientist, I think it is to some extend. i took some philosophy classes in college just to fill a requirement that was pretty easy A. i couldn't stand it "I think therefore I am". As a thought exercise, I guess it is fine, but without proving it, its just that, a htough excercise. If you were good at making arguments, you can easily get an A in Philosophy classes, which I ended up doing. But to me, it was just BSing
Scientific doctorates are called Doctor of Philosophy, so there is an element of thought process, but in science, you go out to prove it or find data. Without it, its just pointless/ some philosophy is just a thought exercise in arguing.
It's impossible to form ethics without philosophy.Ethical considerations are much better.
Science and philosophy are complimentary.. Science deals with specifics, factual matters, DNA for example. Philosophy deals with more general questions about what do those discoveries mean for the Human race? Ethically. Religiously. Etc. What about genetic engineering? Etc.for me, as a scientist, I think it is to some extend. i took some philosophy classes in college just to fill a requirement that was pretty easy A. i couldn't stand it "I think therefore I am". As a thought exercise, I guess it is fine, but without proving it, its just that, a htough excercise. If you were good at making arguments, you can easily get an A in Philosophy classes, which I ended up doing. But to me, it was just BSing
Scientific doctorates are called Doctor of Philosophy, so there is an element of thought process, but in science, you go out to prove it or find data. Without it, its just pointless/ some philosophy is just a thought exercise in arguing.
It's impossible to form ethics without philosophy.
For the most part, philosophy is just raw speculation with certain rules regarding the logical evaluation of that speculation. This is due to the idea that truth can be derived from factual statements, which is in itself quite silly, as any axiom, even if true, could still result into a silly conclusion, unknown to the philosopher due to things like ignoring information (not being aware of it), not investigating things in a sensible way (scoping issues), etc. This is because there is nothing to really compare the results of whatever algorithm the philosopher runs their axioms through, except a person's sensibilities or sense of normalcy. At that point, it can easily suffer from navel gazing or only be as good as the quality of the person evaluating and judging the result of that philosophical exercise.On my science forum this question was asked and the responses were as I would expect.
I thought I'd ask the average Joe. What do you think?
Is philosophy crap?
Just farcical indulgences of the mind?
Or
Is it often of profound insights and of great value to our being?
Or something inbetween?
Because ethics is literally philosophy lol.I disagree. Make your case.
Ethics or moral philosophy is a branch[1] of philosophy that "involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong behavior".[2] The field of ethics, along with aesthetics, concerns matters of value; these fields comprise the branch of philosophy called axiology.
Science originated from philosophy.for me, as a scientist, I think it is to some extend. i took some philosophy classes in college just to fill a requirement that was pretty easy A. i couldn't stand it "I think therefore I am". As a thought exercise, I guess it is fine, but without proving it, its just that, a htough excercise. If you were good at making arguments, you can easily get an A in Philosophy classes, which I ended up doing. But to me, it was just BSing
Scientific doctorates are called Doctor of Philosophy, so there is an element of thought process, but in science, you go out to prove it or find data. Without it, its just pointless/ some philosophy is just a thought exercise in arguing.
Because ethics is literally philosophy lol.
I mean, science is pretty useless without a philosophical framework to interpret it with, no?
While intro your classes in philosophy might have been easy, saying philosophy in general is simple/easy is unfair.
For the most part, philosophy is just raw speculation with certain rules regarding the logical evaluation of that speculation. This is due to the idea that truth can be derived from factual statements, which is in itself quite silly, as any axiom, even if true, could still result into a silly conclusion, unknown to the philosopher due to things like ignoring information (not being aware of it), not investigating things in a sensible way (scoping issues), etc. This is because there is nothing to really compare the results of whatever algorithm the philosopher runs their axioms through, except a person's sensibilities or sense of normalcy. At that point, it can easily suffer from navel gazing or only be as good as the quality of the person evaluating and judging the result of that philosophical exercise.
Science coming out of philosophy was philosophy's best contribution society.
What? That's like saying addition existed before math because we hadn't developed a formal field of mathematics back when people were counting berries.Ethics is a subset of philosophy, but ethics existed way before philosophy did. Philosophy is not a prerequisite for ethical considerations.
What? That's like saying addition existed before math because we hadn't developed a formal field of mathematics back when people were counting berries.
It doesn't matter if the field of philosophy didn't exist as like, an organized an recognized discipline. Making any ethical statement = making a philosophical statement.
For the most part, philosophy is just raw speculation with certain rules regarding the logical evaluation of that speculation. This is due to the idea that truth can be derived from factual statements, which is in itself quite silly, as any axiom, even if true, could still result into a silly conclusion, unknown to the philosopher due to things like ignoring information
I feel like both of you are under the impression that philosophy is some narrow discipline that only deals with grand obscure questions about the nature of the self and the universe. That is simply not the case. Philosophy is such a broad discipline it practically encapsulates everything. For one, just all of ethics and morality and fundamentally philosophical questions, and those values in turn inform both laws and politics. So are areas such as logical reasoning, many concepts of which are important to the idea of mathematical proofs.yes, as I mentioned in my post. but much of philosophy, I guess ancient philosophy, there is no science that follow so its just an exercise. It's like religion, arguing that something is true using circular logic without any means of proving it.
Philosophical methods include questioning, critical discussion, rational argument, and systematic presentation.
Since then, various areas of investigation that were traditionally part of philosophy have become separate academic disciplines, and namely the social sciences such as psychology, sociology, linguistics, and economics.
For example, Newton's 1687 Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy later became classified as a book of physics.
Ethical considerations ARE philosophy. They can't be better than it, they ARE IT. What do you consider to be an example of an ethical consideration that isn't a philosophical one?Therefore, ethical considerations are better than philosophy.
No it didn't.Ethics is a subset of philosophy, but ethics existed way before philosophy did. Philosophy is not a prerequisite for ethical considerations.
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