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Do you have high-deductible insurance for catastrophic events, or are you gambling that nothing bad will ever happen?For liberals, that's true. I'm uninsured and I pay my own way. And besides, it's so much better for taxpayers to pay for others when they're forced to. Forcing people excites liberals.
The mess called ObamaCare is what happens when only one side shoves something down the throat of the other side.
If it is to be fixed, then COMPROMISE is needed on both sides of the aisle.
Even the most ardent supporters can see it is a mess, but will ride it right over the cliff in their refusal to admit they were wrong.
That is what happens when NO COMPROMISE is used.
We as Americans do not like to admit it, but we are masters of political compromise. That is the only way you can get anything done in this republic.
Look what happened when there was no compromise. We got that mess called ObamaCare.
Let single payer pass for all I care.
The rest of America will finally get to see what veterans have to put up with............... and good for them!
Do you have high-deductible insurance for catastrophic events, or are you gambling that nothing bad will ever happen?
I knew you live in Mexico, but presumed you were still an American citizen. Are you speaking of the Mexican liberal government, or the American liberal government?Neither. Thanks to the liberal government, I can't buy private health insurance. I am not eligible for Medicare and have to buy it and won't. I live in Mexico and pay for my health care. Unlike liberals who have someone else paying for them, at 75 years of age there is a definite limit on how much I will pay to keep living.
The mess called ObamaCare is what happens when only one side shoves something down the throat of the other side.
If it is to be fixed, then COMPROMISE is needed on both sides of the aisle.
Even the most ardent supporters can see it is a mess, but will ride it right over the cliff in their refusal to admit they were wrong.
That is what happens when NO COMPROMISE is used.
We as Americans do not like to admit it, but we are masters of political compromise. That is the only way you can get anything done in this republic.
Look what happened when there was no compromise. We got that mess called ObamaCare.
I've always thought The Afford Care Act better known as Obamacare was a nice effort of had to changed. I'm a Republican had have also always believed it would have been changed already except for the fact that Republicans in Congress, driven by the agenda set by conservative media pundits, have insisted on a letting the American people suffer financially while further insisting on the "total repeal" of the Obamacare brand instead of working modifying the Affordable Care Act in the spirit of cooperation so that the President is humiliated. Now even Bill Clinton is criticizing it and Health and Human Services is predicting a 25% increase in premiums. Do you think Obamacare is seeing its last days?
The silver bullet with Obamacare was that there would be 100% compliance. A fantasy that failed. If it had not failed, premiums would have gone down. Again, I don't think health insurance ever needed to be a part of it. People don't need insurance, they need healthcare.
My memory tells me that it was sold to the American public as not being a tax, but when it went to the Supreme Court they argued it was a tax because even they knew it would be ruled unconstitutional otherwise. Please tell me if I am incorrect.
I agree with your statement otherwise. I believe it should be unconstitutional either way.
As a committed slippery slope theorist, I fear just that.IIRC, it was only CJ Roberts that "invented" the taxation power for validation of the PPACA - the other justices were split 4/4 but based on the power to regulate commerce. Use of the 16A (the power to tax income from all sources) was stretched past the breaking point in order to base taxation of income on how it was not later spent.
I suppose that same "constitutional" logic could be used to tax (penalize without due process?) those that do not own/use any manner of government mandated (approved?) private goods/services like "green" cars or solar/wind power generation supplements. Once the federal government gives itself a new power (to penalize folks, via the tax code, for not buying "good" stuff) it is bound to be applied to more cases.
And if the Democrats pass that this time around, they'll be known for exactly that. Welcome VA level care for everyone!
(After all, future performance predicted by current performance - THe VA is the US federal governmnet running single payer healthcare).
And I don't agree with how the VA, or the federal government, treats Veterans. It's absolutely horrid, and unconscionable, and speaks poorly of us a a nation and a society.
Agree.
I have no problem with profits but there are 2 huge problems with the present system.
1. The health insurance industry is the elephant in the living room and a needless middleman that's jacking up the costs.
2. Employer-based healthcare is ridiculous.
My idea: individually mandated annual memberships at hospitals, just like gym memberships. All healthcare needs are met there as needed with no additional costs. No collections issues because membership fees are tied to something we can't get out of such as payroll deducted but the individual chooses which hospital. Health insurance is carried by the hospital to cover catastrophic patient costs.
I've always thought The Afford Care Act better known as Obamacare was a nice effort of had to changed. I'm a Republican had have also always believed it would have been changed already except for the fact that Republicans in Congress, driven by the agenda set by conservative media pundits, have insisted on a letting the American people suffer financially while further insisting on the "total repeal" of the Obamacare brand instead of working modifying the Affordable Care Act in the spirit of cooperation so that the President is humiliated. Now even Bill Clinton is criticizing it and Health and Human Services is predicting a 25% increase in premiums. Do you think Obamacare is seeing its last days?
VA is more of a single provider system than just a single payer system. Under a single payer system any provider can accept that single payer's rates and provide the goods/services to the covered user. VA, to the best of my knowledge, allows out of system/area treatment only if approved by the "primary" VA care provider facility.
I agree with both 1 and 2, tying it to employment is silly.
As for your plan it could be something viable, my only concern is some people wont really have a choice of hospital. The people that lve in middle of the woods, one stop sign town Kentucky dont really get a choice and their hospital would not be as good as the 10 in all our elbows and assholes touch city New York.
There would still have to be a partner of hospitals or all hospitals share a certain amount of national cross over insurance you know what I mean. Doesnt make your plan "bad" just means it would need some tweaking to insure good options and good care for all.
I don't see any system succeeding, unless we get costs under control. No matter what the system may be.
Yup it's all about the costs. And the ACA did nothing to address that.
I agree, but costs will never be addressed when you got a political party that hollers about "death panels" every time anyone proposes we address costs.
Luckily that idiot Sarah Palin is irrelevant. Granted I don't follow every Republican in Congress but are any of those in power saying there are death panels?
Obama care was designed from the beginning to fail. It's designed purpose was to get more people to support a socialist system. The left does not really care about fixing problems with the medical care, they only want to push the socialist option. If they really cared, then they would go back and repeal laws which caused the massive surge in medical cost to begin with. I have posted the chart before, several times. Medical costs were comparable with many other countries prior to about 1975, with Germany actually have higher cost several times prior to that. Then, at that point, the cost just start skyrocketed. The left never looks at going back and repealing laws causing it, they only want to push towards socialism.
I've always thought The Afford Care Act better known as Obamacare was a nice effort of had to changed. I'm a Republican had have also always believed it would have been changed already except for the fact that Republicans in Congress, driven by the agenda set by conservative media pundits, have insisted on a letting the American people suffer financially while further insisting on the "total repeal" of the Obamacare brand instead of working modifying the Affordable Care Act in the spirit of cooperation so that the President is humiliated. Now even Bill Clinton is criticizing it and Health and Human Services is predicting a 25% increase in premiums. Do you think Obamacare is seeing its last days?
Agree.
I have no problem with profits but there are 2 huge problems with the present system.
1. The health insurance industry is the elephant in the living room and a needless middleman that's jacking up the costs.
2. Employer-based healthcare is ridiculous.
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