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Poppy? Now by your definition that'd be racist right?
We're talking about how it applies to current case law. As a person who has experienced sexual and racial discrimination she would know quite a bit from experience compared to a white man who hasn't been discriminated against. This is about personal experiences. This is like when Alito said because of his immigrant family and his experiences he has more sensitivity in dealing with immigration cases. Once again you hear what you want to hear.
It was not a racist statement quit projecting.
Sure and you have no facts. Again you have yet to prove intent or show how it fits the definition. I thought you were done?
You've proved nothing thus far. I asked how it applies to the definition of the words and you skirted around it. Keep tap dancing.
Not even close to what I said. You're the one making the accussations of racism and race-baiting but cannot prove how they fit the definition of the word it seems more like you projecting how you feel off on Obama and other people than what they do themselves.
Chalk this up as another copout by you
I'm not slandering you, you've done that yourself. Again you have yet to prove how it fits the definition quit copping out.
Of course not because you don't have the answer. You make statements but can't prove them. You didn't prove race-baiting or racism and so this is how you copout. Prove it to the definition and you might have a point otherwise you're just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks.
No speculation its what happened. Do you not think he'd get hillary voters from Palin?
It's repetitive because you keep tap dancing out of proving the definition. Thus far you have out of context statements which you have yet to fit to the definition of race-baiting and racism.
Nope, see how often you FAIL? :lol:
I already explained this to you again what venue was it? She was speaking to minority students about minority issues. Being a minority she is likely to be racially and sexually discriminated against. I doubt you even read her speech. Many people who have that were railing against her have come to realize that she wasn't being a racist. Don't be dense.What does white or Latina have to do with anything? FAIL
In order to be done you actually had to start. Again you failed miserably in this debate to prove to the definition of racism and race-baiting how Obama fit any of those.I pretty much am, can't you tell by
FAIL
Not even close:lamo
You are speaking nonsense now. FAIL
Nope you never did but if this is the level of how you debate I'd have to say you need to brush up a little on your maturity. I clearly asked you how your claims fit the definition and you didn't answer and then claimed you did. I'm just going to clear up some space here since you have nothing to say for most of this post.Already did... yup.... you FAIL
On one hand, I can't according to you prove that Obama's own words and actions are race baiting, and some racial overtones, and in the same breath you want to claim Palin was picked cause she hawt, as fact?
Well considering the point that the quote in dreams from our father was a statement made by Reverand Wright that you tried to attribute to Obama I'd say you screwed that one up royally. The part where you made Obama's statement about the arrest stupid and tried to make it about race when it wasn't. See here's the problem no matter what Obama does now you're going to call it racist or race-baiting. This has been happening since day 1 and there's no more proof now than there was then. Explain how it fits the definition or quit wasting time.What context did I take them out of?
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Everyone knows that Obama took the side of the black prof. from Cambridge and condemned the police without even having the facts so my question begs to be asked:
Secret racist would imply he takes pains to conceal his racism. He doesn't. He proudly exudes the typical destructive racism the lunatic Right misunderstands
Are you ?
Am I ?
I do not think we is, this flaw would be impossible to hide - - even if his "race" has suffered from racism probably since day one..
I do think that he, like most of us is "race sensitive".
Man needs to grow up and become "color blind".
Very few have.
No, I do not believe he is secretly a racist. I believe he made a foolish choice in his assumption that the incident was race based and that in turn led him to make a foolish remark about the incident.
Obama has shown no more "racist" tendencies than most people on this board if you ask me.
Really?
racist church
his comments about his grandmother
his choice of a racist scotus
his DWB charge on the cambridge officer
his "I dont look like the other canidates" remark
his "white mans greed"
and on and on....
no he's probably not a racist, but race is at the forefront of his mindset, and he still feels slighted by whitey for some reason./
Really.Really?
You mean racist pastor right? Did Obama engage in any racist activity while attending that church? Did he engage in conduct that in some way was discriminatory against other races while attending that church?racist church
What about them?his comments about his grandmother
That is your opinion.his choice of a racist scotus
He was not being a racist, he was being presumptuous.his DWB charge on the cambridge officer
That was not a racist remark, it was an acknowledgment of the historical trend.his "I dont look like the other canidates" remark
He was referencing the first sermon he ever heard by Rev. Wright and telling people how it impacted him. He was describing and event in his life. That is not racist. He wasn't affirming Wrights words, he was discussing their impact upon him when he was younger.his "white mans greed"
On and on what?and on and on....
Prbably not.no he's probably not a racist,
It's possible.but race is at the forefront of his mindset,
I don't see that as being the case at all. But it's your opinion and that's okay.and he still feels slighted by whitey for some reason./
If anybody thinks attending Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons qualifies as racism, then there is a profound misunderstanding of both black churches and religious institutions in the United States in general. Jeremiah Wright's comments are relatively typical of black clergymen, and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of church attendees. Similarly, the moral and political views of Catholic priests or the Vatican are not always reflective of those of layman Catholics, and the same holds true of other institutions. On condoms, for example. People who occupy positions of spiritual authority are not always as "pragmatic" as the general public they preach to; they tend to over-represent more obscure and radical opinions.
:lol: lerxst, I thanked your for your pragmatism.... :thumbs:
Yeah, I see him the same way I see Dinkins. Maybe I am jaded because I have been at the recieving end of reverse racism in NY.....
His parrallells to me are uncanny.....
A "Messiah" has no flaws... Obama probably has some racism; I know that I do..The problem with the police is "over-reacting", not racism, I think..The Messiah's flaw wasn't hidden. Most everyone that had the sense to not vote for him could see his racism. Only a racist could spend twenty years in Rev Wright's flock.A man must get his sleep somehow.
You mean racist pastor right? Did Obama engage in any racist activity while attending that church? Did he engage in conduct that in some way was discriminatory against other races while attending that church?
That is your opinion.
He was not being a racist, he was being presumptuous.
Depends on what you call "engage in any racist activity" I suppose. For example: That church seemed to me to be quite vocal in response to whatever Wright said in any of the videos that I seen of his "sermons". Either clapping or shouting or whatever. Do you think that Obama did any of these things when Wright went on a racist sermon? I would have to say that the chances are yes he did. Clapping and what not would indicate that they agree with whatever Wright said.
That too imo. The guy didn't know all the facts but he went off on a speil about racial profiling. That to me indicates that no matter what the cop had said he would still have taken Gates word over the cops.
If anybody thinks attending Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons qualifies as racism, then there is a profound misunderstanding of both black churches and religious institutions in the United States in general. Jeremiah Wright's comments are relatively typical of black clergymen, and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of church attendees. Similarly, the moral and political views of Catholic priests or the Vatican are not always reflective of those of layman Catholics, and the same holds true of other institutions. On condoms, for example. People who occupy positions of spiritual authority are not always as "pragmatic" as the general public they preach to; they tend to over-represent more obscure and radical opinions.
I know that Reverend Wright's sermons are relatively typical of black churches and that blacks themselves confess to not believing in every opinion espoused by their local spiritual authority.
How the **** is one supposed to know whether Obama is secretly a racist or not?? Should we ask a magic 8-ball? Consult a ouija board? Or are we supposed to use our fantastic powers of clairvoyance to learn the true nature of Obama's feelings on race??
I have long thought that he and Michelle are the type, when the lights are low, in the most secretive of moments, to talk about "whitey." But I certainly have no evidence of such so I must digress. I just know how people ARE (no matter what the SAY they are.)
And was it your ouija board or your magic 8-ball that told you this?
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