Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?[W:577, W:581]

[sawdust]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

We'll probably just elect a Republocrat again.

Probably be the only choices we will be given.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Designed to be so by foreign heads of state! I don't think so dude.

Designed that way by the Founding Fathers. This visit to Congress isn't the most broken dynamic with our current system and certainly is not the most damaging dynamic.

 

[ocean515]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Who has suggested that the executive branch should "dictate" to congress?

That would be you. This President has certainly not shied away from setting precedence, so to use that as a basis for restraint falls flat.

The Legislative Branch has no duty to clear with the White House who they chose to have appear before them. Your opinion is noted, but has no relevance to the issue.

 

[Sherman123]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Some Israelis have raised concerns that Netanyahu is putting Israel at increased risk and is harming U.S. Israeli relations. Consider Meir Dagan, former Mossad chief



Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

As someone who is generally supportive of Israel I think this visit is grossly inappropriate and creates an awkward precedent for future administrations and Israeli leaders.

 

[MMC]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Yeah, I'd have to agree.

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

Don't worry EB. :2wave: FOX and CNN are starting the process. Even as we speak. :mrgreen:

 

[MildSteel]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

I have put a thread on his speech. The Democrats are speaking out now and which I have with Fox and CNN.

The Demo speaking now.....was whining about being lectured. Johnny Yarmuth (D). Called his speech straight out the Cheney Playbook. Then cites William F Buckley :roll:

It is not good for the leader of a foreign country that receives billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars a year in aid, to come here to the U.S the way Netanyahu has, and try to derail the foreign policy agenda of the President of the United States. What if the King of Saudi Arabia came and gave a lecture to Congress about how the U.S. should use military force to depose Assad in Syria? That crap is totally bogus, and it is a sham on the system of government of the U.S. that Netanyahu is doing this in this way.

Honestly I feel you when you say that you feel Obama has in certain instances not performed well. But for better or for worse, we did elect Obama. Although I did not want the invasion of Iraq to happen, I would not have wanted to see the head of state of a foreign country trying to subvert Cheney and Bush in this way. It is really bad.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Is there anything funnier than when a liberal decides to blow the dust off the Constitution?

Actually, there is. After blowing the dust off the thing, they proceed to tell you precisely what it means.

 

[MildSteel]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

As someone who is generally supportive of Israel I think this visit is grossly inappropriate and creates an awkward precedent for future administrations and Israeli leaders.

Absolutely Sherman and I am glad we agree on something. Like I said to MMC, I totally despised the fact that we invaded Iraq, but I would not have liked to see the head of a foreign government come and try to subvert Bush and Cheney in this way. It sets a very, very bad precedent.

 

[MildSteel]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Probably be the only choices we will be given.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

And if Russia, China, the UK, France and Germany sign the deal, what's your beef??

And if they do not?

 

[MMC]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

It is not good for the leader of a foreign country that receives billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars a year in aid, to come here to the U.S the way Netanyahu has, and try to derail the foreign policy agenda of the President of the United States. What if the King of Saudi Arabia came and gave a lecture to Congress about how the U.S. should use military force to depose Assad in Syria? That crap is totally bogus, and it is a sham on the system of government of the U.S. that Netanyahu is doing this in this way.

Honestly I feel you when you say that you feel Obama has in certain instances not performed well. But for better or for worse, we did elect Obama. Although I did not want the invasion of Iraq to happen, I would not have wanted to see the head of state of a foreign country trying to subvert Cheney and Bush in this way. It is really bad.

Netanyahu didn't do anything but tell the truth. Its BO and his Team trying to deny what his own people are telling them.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

As someone who is generally supportive of Israel I think this visit is grossly inappropriate and creates an awkward precedent for future administrations and Israeli leaders.

You realize this is third visit, second under Obama?

The precedent goes the other way

 

[eohrnberger]

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Problem is they have the tech and a 10 or 15 year deal is not sufficient. They have to be open to intrusive inspections by the IAEA.
If a deal is reached, then suspend the sanctions. Easy to reinstate if needed.
Next is not hindering or refusing to cooperate – provide information asked for by the IAEA.

And if Russia, China, the UK, France and Germany sign the deal, what's your beef??

No offense, but really, I don't see Russia, China, the UK, France and Germany paying much of a price should Iran nuke or dirty bomb Israel. Just sayin'.

Until the Iranian government moderates it's rhetoric and that of it's elected officials (for quite some time), I'm more of the mind to ban them from receiving or having any radiological materials at all. Period. Ratcheting up international sanctions, is the only answer to bring them into compliance with the UN resolutions that have already passed. Not letting them off the hook for the.

 

[Ryan5]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Considering Jews in America are basically third in line after blacks and gays for politically correct "Protection" and fake niceties, no I highly doubt it.


Let's be realistic. Israel is essentially a little Fascist state that is only allowed to exist because wealthy US and European Jews lobby for it. That said I've no issue with it. Jews are a good force in the world just as gays are to maintain subtle supremacies hence I'm all for them. The average person can't fathom their usefulness is all.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

“We appreciate all that President Obama has done for Israel,” he said. “Some of it is widely known . . . Some of what the president has done for Israel is less well-known.” The prime minister listed all the times he called Obama and received immediate aid, including the 2010 Carmel forest fire and the siege of the Israeli embassy in Cairo during the 2011 unrest. “In each of those moments, I called the president, and he was there,” Netanyahu said. “And some of what the president has done for Israel might never be known, because it touches on some of the most sensitive and strategic issues that arise between an American president and an Israeli prime minister.” “But I know it!” he continued. “And I will always be grateful to President Obama for that support.”

Read more at: National Review

Wow, what "harm", we should shoot him.


It's amazing the narrative the president and the media give out and how quick some are to gobble it up.

Nah, Iran doesn't want nukes,

Netanyahoo is teh evil.



My how times have changed.

 

[PeteEU]

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No offense, but really, I don't see Russia, China, the UK, France and Germany paying much of a price should Iran nuke or dirty bomb Israel. Just sayin'.

Errr fallout? It will reach Europe and the rest of Asia depending on winds long before it ever comes to the US.

 

[Atiya]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

He might be, but I do not really think so. He is arguing a point of existential importance, which the American President has been giving the impression of callousness in handling. The Israelis have continuously commented on this and out Administration has not done much to build confidence in its policy. Everyone knows this and nobody should be surprised that the Israeli PM stands up for his people's security.

I believe Netanyahu is not doing himself any good. I do not believe much harm at this time will be done to Israel proper. The unscrupulous Benjamin Netanyahu displays skillful use of underhanded tactics to achieve his goals: he's devious as a politician needs be. In 2011 when running for election he gave a talk before congress and used the footage of the US congress applauding him over and over in his campaign ads; this was most effective as Netanyahu was reelected. Netanyahu also would have preferred Mitt Romney to be president. The Israeli PM is conscious of the bitter feeling between the Republicans and the President of the US....the GOP are having conniptions because the president is African American and believe this top job, the US Presidency, should go to whites exclusively..... and he is adroitly taking advantage of these tensions. The Israeli PM knows damn well he should have been invited by the President, and still he chose to ignore the rules of protocol and instead give a snub to Obama, to try and cut this president down to size. Today and yesterday there were protesters outside congress with signs saying "STOP AID TO ISRAEL!"

 

[jet57]

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Boehner is indeed doing it by that little stunt.

Yeah, and as always with the right-wing, it's not about country, it's about agenda.

 

[GmH]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Wow, how nice was it to listen to a true leader. One who does not apologize for his country but stands up for and loves his country. It makes me wish we had the same.

 

[joG]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

I believe Netanyahu is not doing himself any good. I do not believe much harm at this time will be done to Israel proper. The unscrupulous Benjamin Netanyahu displays skillful use of underhanded tactics to achieve his goals: he's devious as a politician needs be. In 2011 when running for election he gave a talk before congress and used the footage of the US congress applauding him over and over in his campaign ads; this was most effective as Netanyahu was reelected. Netanyahu also would have preferred Mitt Romney to be president. The Israeli PM is conscious of the bitter feeling between the Republicans and the President of the US....the GOP are having conniptions because the president is African American and believe this top job, the US Presidency, should go to whites exclusively..... and he is adroitly taking advantage of these tensions. The Israeli PM knows damn well he should have been invited by the President, and still he chose to ignore the rules of protocol and instead give a snub to Obama, to try and cut this president down to size. Today and yesterday there were protesters outside congress with signs saying "STOP AID TO ISRAEL!"

I don't know that Netanyahu is racist, but he seems right to think Obama is not doing a very good job in foreign affairs. Iran is looking very bad.

 

[Montecresto]

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Netanyahu didn't do anything but tell the truth. Its BO and his Team trying to deny what his own people are telling them.

And Netanyahu trying to deny what his own people are telling him.

 

[Montecresto]

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No offense, but really, I don't see Russia, China, the UK, France and Germany paying much of a price should Iran nuke or dirty bomb Israel. Just sayin'.

Until the Iranian government moderates it's rhetoric and that of it's elected officials (for quite some time), I'm more of the mind to ban them from receiving or having any radiological materials at all. Period. Ratcheting up international sanctions, is the only answer to bring them into compliance with the UN resolutions that have already passed. Not letting them off the hook for the.

You think France only has its own interests at stake with this deal.

After the election of Nicolas Sarkozy in May 2007, France's new leader said that he would refuse to greet any world leader who does not recognize Israel's right to exist.[4]
France

How about Germany, you think they too would agree to a deal injurious to Israel?

Israel and Germany now maintain a "special relationship" based on shared beliefs, Western values and a combination of historical perspectives.[1] Among the most important factors in their relations is Nazi Germany's genocide of Jewish diaspora communities during the Holocaust.[2]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Israel_relations

 

[MildSteel]

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Netanyahu didn't do anything but tell the truth. Its BO and his Team trying to deny what his own people are telling them.

It doesn't matter. We did not elect Netanyahu to be President of the United States, nor any other public office. Netanyahu should be running Israel, not the U.S. That type of thing should have only happened with the approval of the President. So now Congress can invite Putin to speak on how Russia should have Ukraine, if that is what Boehner or Pelosi felt needed to be done? That is a bunch of crap.

 

[Montecresto]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Designed that way by the Founding Fathers. This visit to Congress isn't the most broken dynamic with our current system and certainly is not the most damaging dynamic.

Who's suggesting that it's the worst thing to ever happen. Does it have to be the worst to be bad?

 

[MildSteel]

Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Yeah, and as always with the right-wing, it's not about country, it's about agenda.

It sure the hell appears that way. They will shut down the whole government if they can score some political points. It's pathetic.