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Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?[W:577, W:581]

Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?


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Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

LOL. Actually, I am positive I have never said that. Any other lies you would like to inject into this discussion before you run off with your tail between your legs?

Perhaps not a direct quote, but you've certainly claimed similar. You basically just did.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

If Obama understood foreign relations which relies on the intelligent application of power, he would use Netanyahu's address to increase the power that we have to pressure Iran into a deal on nuclear weapons. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are now willing to be more open to use of Israel as the enemy of my enemy. Instead he's passing up on the opportunity and he's bending over and letting Iran have fun with his ass.

Please my fellow citizens, next time we vote for president, elect an adult.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

LOL. Actually, I am positive I have never said that. Any other lies you would like to inject into this discussion before you run off with your tail between your legs?

:lol: It get even better once he starts talking about the actual topic. Rather than going personal. Just sayin. ;)
 
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Im actually glad Bibi is doing this- its finally showing the truth about Isreal's influence on the US government and this is exactly why we need to dump Isreal as an ally- they have been manipulating us for years. Im not a fan of Obama but Im glad someone within the government is finally standing up to these people. The less foreign influence there is on our government the better- we should not have to be stooges for Isreal every time they want to start another war.
 
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Perhaps not a direct quote, but you've certainly claimed similar. You basically just did.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Nothing in what I said even remotely hints that liberals hate the constitution. Those are your words, and perhaps in your case, are true. But I didn't say it. Now, if you have something to add, do so already or go troll some other thread.
 
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:lol: It get even better once he starts talking about the actual topic. Rather than going personal. Just sayin. ;)

Really? He actually addresses topics? I learn something new every day.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? Nothing in what I said even remotely hints that liberals hate the constitution. Those are your words, and perhaps in your case, are true. But I didn't say it. Now, if you have something to add, do so already or go troll some other thread.

Far out, man.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Really? He actually addresses topics? I learn something new every day.

Routinely. I also mock hackish comments like yours. How was YOUR Constitution comment "addressing the topic"? Protip: It wasn't. It was just another of your partisan potshots.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Israelis are divided over this, Bibis political opponents are using this to attack him for damaging relations with the United states. former military officials are attacking him for his stance on Iran and the right wing thinks Obama is damaging relations with Israel...

Ok...
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Israelis are divided over this, Bibis political opponents are using this to attack him for damaging relations with the United states. former military officials are attacking him for his stance on Iran and the right wing thinks Obama is damaging relations with Israel...

Ok...


Are you saying Israelis are divided over this.....or are you asking a question?
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

He may be harming relations with the executive branch, but those haven't been the best anyway. He is improving relations with the legislative branch, so it's at worst a wash. Since the legislative is where the money comes, it's overall a good move, and one that reasserts the authority of the USFG legislature. Win-win.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Are you saying Israelis are divided over this.....or are you asking a question?

Israelis are divided on this, Bibi is on a knifes edge for re-election, he does not speak for all Israel.

This could actually cost him the election.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Israelis are divided on this, Bibi is on a knifes edge for re-election, he does not speak for all Israel.

This could actually cost him the election.

Well, I wouldn't think any politicians speaks for all of their own countries either. So he does have support then.....Right?
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Mornin OS. Good post. Did you catch what Netanyahu had to say yesterday at AIPAC?

Note how the left here was so up on it and knew what was going on. :roll:

I did, and it was more or less an expected exchange between Netanyahu and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. There was no real reason to assume that would not be a prerequisite for handling a speech to Congress. In my opinion the left has far more room to complain about Netanyahu and Congress, than Netanyahu and AIPAC. That part of the debate almost does not matter to me. I would be more concerned if AIPAC spoke out against the speech to Congress.

Our larger issue is the implications of our relations with Israel being what it was to date perhaps becoming a partisan political issue going forward. Before it could be argued well that Israel had a strong influence on US politics, regardless of party in charge. They spoke, we jumped. They were in need, we supplied. They needed us to speak out for them, we did so. All without question seemingly. Our concern now is that becoming a Republican issue, placing that condition of "unwavering" support for Israel in their exclusive political corner. Thus becoming politically adversarial to Democrats, who perhaps may look at this differently going forward. If that really happens then this has real implications for handling Israel at the UN level. And we already see a number of nations around the globe, including several nations across Europe, that are starting to give consideration to Israel's other major problem. The Palestinians.

I am unsure if Netanyahu, his supporters at home, and his supporters here understand that level of complexity if all of this does end up in the US political spectrum. Maybe they are gunning for it, trying to take advantage of today's US political climate as it applies to handling Iran. But, I would be concerned about down the road. Given the traditional movement of our political pendulum, there is a strong chance Democrats could take power again for the 115th or perhaps the 116th Congress, and our next President very well could be another Democrat. Depends on who ends up running of course. But for this conversation, in my opinion there are way too many question marks here at home politically for Netanyahu to risk support for Israel becoming a Republican owned hallmark.

Think about that going forward, I think we all should. As someone who leans Libertarian on these sort of issues, I have been questioning our relations with Israel for years now. Just as I have been questioning our general hypocritical and confusing foreign policy for years now. Are Liberals picking up on that same line of questioning? If so, what does that leave for core Republicans? Does AIPAC end up becoming another CPAC in standard for the Republican Party, where the target is political opposition here?
 
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I did, and it was more or less an expected exchange between Netanyahu and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. There was no real reason to assume that would not be a prerequisite for handling a speech to Congress. In my opinion the left has far more room to complain about Netanyahu and Congress, than Netanyahu and AIPAC. That part of the debate almost does not matter to me. I would be more concerned if AIPAC spoke out against the speech to Congress.

Our larger issue is the implications of our relations with Israel being what it was to date perhaps becoming a partisan political issue going forward. Before it could be argued well that Israel had a strong influence on US politics, regardless of party in charge. They spoke, we jumped. They were in need, we supplied. They needed us to speak out for them, we did so. All without question seemingly. Our concern now is that becoming a Republican issue, placing that condition of "unwavering" support for Israel in their exclusive political corner. Thus becoming politically adversarial to Democrats, who perhaps may look at this differently going forward. If that really happens then this has real implications for handling Israel at the UN level. And we already see a number of nations around the globe, including several nations across Europe, that are starting to give consideration to Israel's other major problem. The Palestinians.

I am unsure if Netanyahu, his supporters at home, and his supporters here understand that level of complexity if all of this does end up in the US political spectrum. Maybe they are gunning for it, trying to take advantage of today's US political climate as it applies to handling Iran. But, I would be concerned about down the road. Given the traditional movement of our political pendulum, there is a strong chance Democrats could take power again for the 115th or perhaps the 116th Congress, and our next President very well could be another Democrat. Depends on who ends up running of course. But for this conversation, in my opinion there are way too many question marks here at home politically for Netanyahu to risk support for Israel becoming a Republican owned hallmark.

Think about that going forward, I think we all should. As someone who leans Libertarian on these sort of issues, I have been questioning our relations with Israel for years now. Just as I have been questioning our general hypocritical and confusing foreign policy for years now. Are Liberals picking up on that same line of questioning? If so, what does that leave for core Republicans? Does AIPAC end up becoming another CPAC in standard for the Republican Party, where the target is political opposition here?

He did talk about why he was giving the speech.....and then the Pics and Charts of Iran sponsoring terrorism on 5 continents. Does put some things into perspective.

He didn't mention Team BO not taking action after filing a complaint in the UN about Iran for trying to obtain parts they weren't suppose to be acquiring. Nor did he say anything about how We busted them out with their gold for gas scheme with Turkey.

So he kept his word and didn't embarrass BO or the US, yesterday.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

The guy is trouble. His main goal is to manipulate to get people on his side. He doesn't care about US, Palenstine, or Israel. He only cares about his own gain.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Is there anything funnier than when a liberal decides to blow the dust off the Constitution?

A liberal. Lol. Are you really prepared to support the precedence of congress bringing in a foreign leader to whip a disagreeing president with. Is your hatred for Obama so great that you'll turn a blind eye to this threat to our constitution, and political system, pitting one branch of American government against another, just to see Obama diminished, and humiliated, just to gloat in a cheap shot?
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

It's called checks and balances, and it's been sorely needed for a very long time.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

A liberal. Lol. Are you really prepared to support the precedence of congress bringing in a foreign leader to whip a disagreeing president with. Is your hatred for Obama so great that you'll turn a blind eye to this threat to our constitution, and political system, pitting one branch of American government against another, just to see Obama diminished, and humiliated, just to gloat in a cheap shot?

I got news for you: Boehner has a pen and a phone too. As for Obama, it was his childish reaction that caused the controversy. He should have invited him to the White House for a private meeting once he heard he was coming to the US and ordered his staff and all liberals to attend his speech. Its Obamas reaction that his diminished and humiliated him. Liberals are just too blind to see that.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Some Israelis have raised concerns that Netanyahu is putting Israel at increased risk and is harming U.S. Israeli relations. Consider Meir Dagan, former Mossad chief



Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

No, John Boener is.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

Far out, man.

Nobody has said that since the 70's. When you evolve to the 1980's let me know. There is a whole bunch of new words and phrases you can add to your limited lexicon.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

He should have invited him to the White House for a private meeting once he heard he was coming to the US and ordered his staff and all liberals to attend his speech.

So Obama should come on bended knee to the real leader of the sole superpower on the face of the Earth.

Nah, I don't think so. The tail does not wag the dog.
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

A liberal. Lol. Are you really prepared to support the precedence of congress bringing in a foreign leader to whip a disagreeing president with. Is your hatred for Obama so great that you'll turn a blind eye to this threat to our constitution, and political system, pitting one branch of American government against another, just to see Obama diminished, and humiliated, just to gloat in a cheap shot?

I confess that I am not a Constitutional scholar, so perhaps I missed it somewhere. Could you point me to the section of the Constitution that grants power to the Executive Branch over who gets to be invited to speak before the Legislative Branch?
 
Re: Is Netanyahu harming U.S. Israeli relations?

So Obama should come on bended knee to the real leader of the sole superpower on the face of the Earth.

Nah, I don't think so. The tail does not wag the dog.

That's not what I said. I would explain it in more detail, but its probably not worth the effort.
 
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