Is more stringent gun control inevitable?[W:1622]

[TurtleDude]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

The information about Lott, his silly organization with the pompous name and his bogus study with the cherry picked methodology that renders it null and void have been thoroughly presented in my previous posts and links on the previous page. Its right there for you Turtle.

The problem is is that the facts surrounding guns and crime in the United States support Lott and smack around the anti gun propagandists like the VPC and Everytown for gun bans. The number of weapons in civilian circulation has gone WAY WAY up in the last 20 years. The number of civilians who are not police carrying concealed weapons has GONE WAY WAY up in the last 20 years. the number of semi automatic weapons with 20-30 round magazines has drastically increased in civilian hands in the last 20 years and YET, the number of both intentional homicides and accidental shootings with firearms has gone down

The anti gun movement claimed

1) more guns in the hands of citizens=more guns being used for crime

2) the liberalization of CCW laws means "blood in the streets" etc

3) the sunsetting of the clinton gun ban and the ending of the silly restriction on normal capacity magazines would lead to massive numbers of "assault weapon deaths"

NONE OF THAT HAS COME TRUE

so Lott is right and the gun restrictionist propagandists are WRONG

 

[haymarket]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

police weapons are weapons that civilian authorities have determined are the most suitable for civilian employees to use for self defense in a civilian environment against criminals who disobey civilian laws and use illegally possessed weapons to the detriment of society. Thus other civilians should have access to the best possible weapons for defense against the very same criminals that the police have to deal with.

There is no valid reason to say that someone is trustworthy with a 10 shot semi automatic but then becomes too dangerous to allow to have a 30 shot select fire weapon

You want the tools of the trade, the weapons cops have to perform a cops duties - simple solution my friend - become a cop. If you do their job - then you get their tools.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

The problem is is that the facts surrounding guns and crime in the United States support Lott and smack around the anti gun propagandists like the VPC and Everytown for gun bans.

Stop right there before you go any further. The problem is that Lott and his bogus high fallutin sounding organization manipulates data to create junk science. And when he is caught red handed he engages in dishonest tactics creating sock puppets to defend his fraud. Its all there for you Turtle on the previous page.

If Mr. Junkscience LiesALott is the best you guys have for data - you have my deepest sympathies.

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

Everytown for hoplophobia is a well known disinformation center

Bogus School Shooting "Data" Released By Everytown/Mom's Demand Should Result in Firings - Bearing Arms - Anti-Gun Hysteria, Everytown, Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand, School Shooting

Exactly with the loss and credibility of the CDC propaganda factory gun control has to rely on universities that suck on the poison teat of gun control for research grants and now Everytown. Note invariably it is universities medical facilities epidemiological as gun control tries to shift the playing field to a medical and "risk" problem.

It's working nicely for gun control so far with inroads into the medical field, medical advice, practice and probably soon legislation on reported "risks".

Every gun control supporter is a good potential vote. Firearm ownership is a guarantee of absolutely nothing and probably will vote for gun control if the legislation is wrapped in candy or fake and false promises.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

Exactly with the loss and credibility of the CDC propaganda factory gun control has to rely on universities that suck on the poison teat of gun control for research grants and now Everytown.

Just imagine the horror of it all ... having to rely on universities for research. :roll::shock:

And your side has Mr. Junkscience Liealott producing his own data using creativity, manipulation and making up as he goes along. And whats worse - you buy it hook, line an sinker.

Give me the universities any day of the week over Mr. Sock Puppet and his fancy sounding phony organization.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

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And once we filter out the tinpot third world banana republics from your pro gun blog and compare it with devoloped nations this is what we find

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You think your are the only country with an immigrant problem ? You lock up vastly more people per capita then even Russia or China and incarcerate more people than any other nation on earth !

Whatever happened to 'give me your tired huddled masses yearning to be free' ?

Yeah, no. You do not get to remove data because it proves you wrong.

We understood it to be what it is, a poem written by a socialist in 1886. If someone told you can not have a immigration system because someone wrote a poem 129 years ago you would look at them like their were nuts.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

Neither prohibit national laws dealing with a national problem. We have national laws today and have had them for a very long time now in addition to states having their own laws. National laws dealing with firearms have passed Constitutional muster and are perfectly valid and proper.

No they have no, they have never been challenged in court. But hey its great to see you only use the Constitution to screw people out of their rights.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

No they have no, they have never been challenged in court. But hey its great to see you only use the Constitution to screw people out of their rights.

You cannot be screwed out of a right you do not have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Does the Miller case ring a bell with you as one of the cases that have never been challenged before the Supreme Court? The National Firearms Act of 1934 came before them and they had the chance to throw it out as unconstitutional. But they DID NOT. So give it a rest along with your incomplete knowledge of American history.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

You cannot be screwed out of a right you do not have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Does the Miller case ring a bell with you as one of the cases that have never been challenged before the Supreme Court? The National Firearms Act of 1934 came before them and they had the chance to throw it out as unconstitutional. But they DID NOT. So give it a rest along with your incomplete knowledge of American history.

You should read that the other side did not show up and the side that did just lied to the judges. That is not a case, that is a travesty of justice.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

You should read that the other side did not show up and the side that did just lied to the judges. That is not a case, that is a travesty of justice.

In other words - your side struck out and went down in flames. Got it.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

You want the tools of the trade, the weapons cops have to perform a cops duties - simple solution my friend - become a cop. If you do their job - then you get their tools.

wrong, we want the same ability to defend ourselves from criminals. To claim that such guns are exclusively the tools of the trade is wrong because we have the SAME right and the SAME lawful ability to deploy lethal forces as do cops. NOW stuff like radar speed guns or CITATION pads-those might be the province of cops only.

tell us why honest citizens should be handicapped against armed criminals because that is essentially what your position is saying

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

Stop right there before you go any further. The problem is that Lott and his bogus high fallutin sounding organization manipulates data to create junk science. And when he is caught red handed he engages in dishonest tactics creating sock puppets to defend his fraud. Its all there for you Turtle on the previous page.

If Mr. Junkscience LiesALott is the best you guys have for data - you have my deepest sympathies.

are you claiming that the anti gun propaganda centers are valid? like the silly study that says you are 43X more times to be shot with a gun in your house than a criminal and that study counted as a "gun in the house" the one the robber brings and shoots you with?

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

Just imagine the horror of it all ... having to rely on universities for research. :roll::shock:

And your side has Mr. Junkscience Liealott producing his own data using creativity, manipulation and making up as he goes along. And whats worse - you buy it hook, line an sinker.

Give me the universities any day of the week over Mr. Sock Puppet and his fancy sounding phony organization.

Just as I expected you did not have a single shred of evidence to support your claims and now you try the tar brush. You lose and very poorly at that.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

In other words - your side struck out and went down in flames. Got it.

We did not strike out, they were never told of the case date.

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

You cannot be screwed out of a right you do not have.

As much as government thinks its precious laws are superior to our rights that is not the case. There is little point in quoting case history unless the point is how the constitution has been misinterpreted. The power is in the peoples hands to change the law or government when it suits them. Try not to forget that again.

My guess is that this government is fast approaching the level of tolerance of the public and people with its continued press for unjust and useless gun control laws. Laws which are being now exposed for the oppressive nature they are and the waste of money and resources that should be better spent on public safety.

 

[flogger]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

you are not accurate when you claim that good people are the primary source of guns for bad people so the rest of your argument falls apart. and Yes, I really don't care about the opinions of foreigners who want to impose their misery on our nation. furthermore, wanting a complete ban on firearms in the USA is an extremist position. indeed its the most extreme position one can have on firearms in a free nation

You've been given the facts

 

[haymarket]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

wrong, we want the same ability to defend ourselves from criminals.

You have plenty of ability to defend yourself from criminals. Your choices are a verifiable myriad of firepower that could kill tens of thousands in a day. You have a plethora of choices on your menu from the merchants of death.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

As much as government thinks its precious laws are superior to our rights that is not the case. There is little point in quoting case history unless the point is how the constitution has been misinterpreted. The power is in the peoples hands to change the law or government when it suits them. Try not to forget that again.

My guess is that this government is fast approaching the level of tolerance of the public and people with its continued press for unjust and useless gun control laws. Laws which are being now exposed for the oppressive nature they are and the waste of money and resources that should be better spent on public safety.

My point still stands unrelated - you cannot be screwed out of a right you do not have. Nothing you said here changes that and it is that statement that you were pretending to reply to from me.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

We did not strike out, they were never told of the case date.

Stick to that story - its really highly effective and believable. :roll::doh

Have you ever read the book GIDEON'S TRUMPET?

 

[flogger]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

You have plenty of ability to defend yourself from criminals. Your choices are a verifiable myriad of firepower that could kill tens of thousands in a day. You have a plethora of choices on your menu from the merchants of death.

Thats how other countries manage

Lethal defence is not the first defence nor should it ever be

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

And once we filter out the tinpot third world banana republics from your pro gun blog and compare it with devoloped nations this is what we find

WTF are you trying to do, once we filter out the tinpot third world banana republics You claimed it was guns and now you want to filter out stuff you don't like because it upsets your false claims? You do it without showing why as well.

What do you think this is, a place to practice deceit?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

Stick to that story - its really highly effective and believable. :roll::doh

Have you ever read the book GIDEON'S TRUMPET?

No, you clearly do not understand the case, one side did not show up, the other side did and just lied. That is a rigged game at best.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

Thats how other countries manage

Lethal defence is not the first defence nor should it ever be

No, it should be and is. Your opinion is not based in reality.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

WTF are you trying to do, once we filter out the tinpot third world banana republics You claimed it was guns and now you want to filter out stuff you don't like because it upsets your false claims? You do it without showing why as well.

What do you think this is, a place to practice deceit?

Leftist do that.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Is more stringent gun control inevitable?

You have plenty of ability to defend yourself from criminals. Your choices are a verifiable myriad of firepower that could kill tens of thousands in a day. You have a plethora of choices on your menu from the merchants of death.

No we do not, I can not buy a suppressor without jumping through hoops and I can not buy a machine gun that was made after May 19th 1986, my rights are being infringed upon and we are done.