Is Migration a Human Right?

[CLAX1911]

Because the topic is about migration being a human right. I pointed out that seeking safety is a human right.

Migration isn't about seeking safety. That's asylum.

 

[AProudLefty]

Migration isn't about seeking safety. That's asylum.

Okay.

Migration - movement from one part of something to another.

What is seeking asylum if not seeking to move from one place to another?

 

[upsideguy]

Considering the current climate of calling everything our ancestors had to work to afford 'basic human rights', (healthcare, college, housing, etc, etc) I'm going to go out on a limb here, and predict that the political left will assert that migration is a 'human right' as well. And I fully expect the endless list of neocon & neolib think tanks to do the same, such as Brookings, the Council on Foreign Relations, et al.

So what do you think? Is migration, which includes migrating away from poorer areas of the world to areas with economic advantages, a 'human right'? Why, or why not?

The ability to seek asylum is an established right. Since seeking asylum involves moving from one political environment to another, which is migration, that makes migration an already established right, at least to seek asylum.

Right of asylum - Wikipedia

The right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness was declared by the US as self-evident. That would also provide foundation for the argument that migration (to move from one country where those rights are not honored to another where they are) is a basic right.

 

[CLAX1911]

Okay.


What is seeking asylum if not seeking to move from one place to another?

Asylum is offering refuse or sanctuary for a person who is fleeing some sort of persecution.

It's not immigration it's not migration.

If my neighbor's house gets broken into and she runs to my house so that she doesn't get hurt she didn't migrate to my house. She's there temporarily while a solution is decided upon. She doesn't just become my roommate.

That's what asylum is.

 

[Nickyjo]

No, it's not a "right" of any kind. Countries have the RIGHT to control their borders and who is allowed to enter the country.

Tell that to the people of Jericho. Tell that to Egypt when Jose and Maria fled Palestine cause Herod wanted to kill their brat Hayzoos. Borders are a recent invention. The original illegal aliens were Europeans who went to Africa, or the US which invaded Latin America. As the migrants said in England, “we’re here because you were there.” Payback is a bitch.

 

[truthatallcost]

The ability to seek asylum is an established right. Since seeking asylum involves moving from one political environment to another, which is migration, that makes migration an already established right, at least to seek asylum. The right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness has been established the US as self evident rights. That would also provide foundation for the argument that migration (to move from one country where those rights are not honored to another where they are) is a basic right.

Right of asylum - Wikipedia

You have the right to seek asylum, not to receive it. Thousands are rejected, more thousands approved based upon fraudulence, its a broken system. We should be trying to encourage whatever stability can be achieved in places like Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc, because the human right to life itself is often infringed upon by our government, which then necessitates migration.

Migration is not a right, and no international law says it is.

 

[Nickyjo]

Asylum is offering refuse or sanctuary for a person who is fleeing some sort of persecution.

It's not immigration it's not migration.

If my neighbor's house gets broken into and she runs to my house so that she doesn't get hurt she didn't migrate to my house. She's there temporarily while a solution is decided upon. She doesn't just become my roommate.

That's what asylum is.

You are both right. Talking past one another.

 

[AProudLefty]

Asylum is offering refuse or sanctuary for a person who is fleeing some sort of persecution.

It's not immigration it's not migration.

If my neighbor's house gets broken into and she runs to my house so that she doesn't get hurt she didn't migrate to my house. She's there temporarily while a solution is decided upon. She doesn't just become my roommate.

That's what asylum is.

What are the main reasons of migration? Scarcity of resources. Persecution. Climate.

 

[Parrish]

The world is watching. Is the United States a beacon of freedom or is it now a failed experiment of a country which is inhabited by 95% of its citizens with immigrant ties?

 

[upsideguy]

You have the right to seek asylum, not to receive it. Thousands are rejected, more thousands approved based upon fraudulence, its a broken system. We should be trying to encourage whatever stability can be achieved in places like Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc, because the human right to life itself is often infringed upon by our government, which then necessitates migration.

Migration is not a right, and no international law says it is.

Asylum is not to be unreasonably withheld. its not a guarantee, but you must have good reason not to grant it.

Interesting you say that given most of our problems at the southern border are because Trump acted to further de-stabilize Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua.

Yes, There’s a Crisis on the Border. And It’s Trump’s Fault. - POLITICO Magazine
Trump's deal over migrants with Mexico a self-made crisis, critics say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0cbe11ef2fa6
Reuters: U.S. aid cuts to Central America may backfire, fueling migration north: charities | CARE

Perhaps your beef is with Trump himself. His MO is to create a problem, then fix it (or try to), declare victory (even if its not fixed), pat himself on the back, Tweet his self- kudos to his ignore cult, bask in the glory he manufactured --- rise and repeat.

Now, may I point out that I answered your question and built an argument to support my point. "no, it isn't" (your response) is not an argument nor is "no international law says it is".... My argument is that it is implicit in existing International law and is further endorsed by our fore-fathers as foundational to America itself.

 

[truthatallcost]

The world is watching. Is the United States a beacon of freedom or is it now a failed experiment of a country which is inhabited by 95% of its citizens with immigrant ties?

I have no immigrant ties. They died 300 years ago. There's no promised land in the middle east for me to move to, if this country descends into 3rd world conditions. The beacon of freedom is being exploited by globalists to squeeze every last cent out of the profitability involved in moving populations of people around the globe. And you're their useful surrogate.

 

[kitsune]

In practice, the phrase "Human Rights" has no meaning. There are no rights that accrue to you simply because you are human. There are the rights of citizens and the rights of non-citizens. They vary widely in degree, and in their relationship to each other.

 

[Parrish]

I have no immigrant ties. They died 300 years ago. There's no promised land in the middle east for me to move to, if this country descends into 3rd world conditions. The beacon of freedom is being exploited by globalists to squeeze every last cent out of the profitability involved in moving populations of people around the globe. And you're their useful surrogate.

What a load. If not for your ancestors you'd still be a European."Globalists", aka, Jews, aren't your problem; it's your hate and bigotry. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[truthatallcost]

What a load. If not for your ancestors you'd still be a European.

If not for my ancestors, there would be no USA. Now I'm told that I'm un-American, by people whose ancestors were on another continent back when mine were fighting the British in the War For American Independence. Would my ancestors have fought, had they known that their offspring would be told 300 years later, that they're still 'immigrants'? Idk.

"Globalists", aka, Jews, aren't your problem; it's your hate and bigotry. Thanks for clarifying.

Are there anymore words you'd like stricken from the dialogue, because they make you uncomfortable?

 

[CLAX1911]

You are both right. Talking past one another.

No. Asylum is selling refuge or sanctuary. It doesn't require migration, just movement. If movement is migration if I migrate when I roll over in bed

 

[CLAX1911]

What are the main reasons of migration? Scarcity of resources. Persecution. Climate.

What is the main purpose for seeking refuge?

Survival until you can return

 

[AProudLefty]

What is the main purpose for seeking refuge?

Survival until you can return

Yep. I'm pretty sure some people from ****hole countries in South America will return if the conditions are improved.

 

[Parrish]

If not for my ancestors, there would be no USA. Now I'm told that I'm un-American, by people whose ancestors were on another continent back when mine were fighting the British in the War For American Independence. Would my ancestors have fought, had they known that their offspring would be told 300 years later, that they're still 'immigrants'? Idk.




Are there anymore words you'd like stricken from the dialogue, because they make you uncomfortable?

I'll let your idiocy stand.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yep. I'm pretty sure some people from ****hole countries in South America will return if the conditions are improved.

They likely never will. Asylum can be permanent but it isn't fleeing from ****hole countries it's fleeing death.

Wanting a better life verses wanting to live. There is a big difference.

 

[AProudLefty]

They likely never will. Asylum can be permanent but it isn't fleeing from ****hole countries it's fleeing death.

Wanting a better life verses wanting to live. There is a big difference.

Oh yeah. And those countries in South America are drug cartels, corrupted politicians and police, and crime infested ****holes.

 

[CLAX1911]

Oh yeah. And those countries in South America are drug cartels, corrupted politicians and police, and crime infested ****holes.

They'll face that here as well with the looming fear of deportation, it's probably safer in their home countries or whatever countries they walk through to get here.

 

[AProudLefty]

They'll face that here as well with the looming fear of deportation, it's probably safer in their home countries or whatever countries they walk through to get here.

That's why we have sanctuary cities and Christian organizations. I agree that they should be properly vetted but I think we should have a bit of compassion. It's not a black and white issue.

 

[Rufusrepublican]

Love it or leave it!

 

[CLAX1911]

That's why we have sanctuary cities and Christian organizations.

I'm okay with moving all the illegals to sanctuary cities that is where they should be anyway.

Seemed there was a problem when Trump said that.

I agree that they should be properly vetted but I think we should have a bit of compassion. It's not a black and white issue.

It is compassionate to hear their claims and see if they are truly seeking asylum. Lack of compassion would be turning them away.

 

[Bullseye]

Tell that to the people of Jericho. Tell that to Egypt when Jose and Maria fled Palestine cause Herod wanted to kill their brat Hayzoos. Borders are a recent invention. The original illegal aliens were Europeans who went to Africa, or the US which invaded Latin America. As the migrants said in England, “we’re here because you were there.” Payback is a bitch.

What a pile or nonsense.