Is MAGA really gonna fall for trump's promise to replace the ACA (when he already had 4 years to do it)??

[Brack]

The 2020 election was certainly rigged under the mass mailout balloting system.

Arizona has had no-excuse mail-in voting since the early 1990s. Republicans who have won this state with no-excuse mail-in voting include Bush in 2000 and in 2004, McCain in 2008, Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

California went to "universal" mail-in voting in 2020. But not that many Republicans complained about that since California isn't a swing state, and since Republicans ended up gaining three House seats from that state in 2020.

 

[Nickyjo]

Again, hatred of Trump is clouding your judgement

Too much unhealthy hatred of Trump clouds your judgement.

Oh I see, once again you have no response/rebuttal to the examples if why I hate Trump’s insults or oppose his policies. I hate torture, have seen its effects in people I worked with. Trump promised to do more. I don’t like killing children, but Trump says we should kill terrorists’ kids. I am for adhering to the law, but Trump faces scores of felony counts.

Methinks you might have an unhealthy hate for the truth about Trump.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Methinks you might have an unhealthy hate for the truth about Trump.

Me thinks you are silly enough ti believe anythng and everthing you hear from from the fringe left about Trump. I have no problem with disagreement withhis policies, however the hatred (TDS) is truly clouding your judgement.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Arizona has had no-excuse mail-in voting since the early 1990s. Republicans who have won this state with no-excuse mail-in voting include Bush in 2000 and in 2004, McCain in 2008, Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016.

I don't care which side gains from no-excuse mass mailout balloting. It's an insecure way of electing presidents. I think every state should do in person voting combined with the traditional system of absentee balloting where there is a provable chain of ballot custody. I think drop boxes should go away and every state should adopt voter ID bills.

California went to "universal" mail-in voting in 2020. But not that many Republicans complained about that since California isn't a swing state, and since Republicans ended up gaining three House seats from that state in 2020.

I will not be swayed by anything you point out about republicans benefiting from mass mailout. Though I am a mainstream conservative, I have not been a registered republican for over 34 years.....about the time I ditched California.

 

[pocket aces]

I don't care which side gains from no-excuse mass mailout balloting. It's an insecure way of electing presidents. I think every state should do in person voting combined with the traditional system of absentee balloting where there is a provable chain of ballot custody. I think drop boxes should go away and every state should adopt voter ID bills.

I will not be swayed by anything you point out about republicans benefiting from mass mailout. Though I am a mainstream conservative, I have not been a registered republican for over 34 years.....about the time I ditched California.

No one is going to change their rules because people like you lie about fraud. You inly want to change it because you know more people voting means no one will elect the anti American shit you support.

 

[MAGAnificent]

No one is going to change their rules because people like you lie about fraud. You inly want to change it because you know more people voting means no one will elect the anti American shit you support.

Just more asinine TDS. All I want is ufiform voting standards like we used to have when it comes to electing the man or women who will run the country. That means no advantage to either side. And I have no problem whatsoever with more people voting, I just want to make sure they are American citzens legally entitled to vote. If you are against Voter ID, you are pro-voter fraud.

 

[Nickyjo]

Me thinks you are silly enough ti believe anythng and everthing you hear from from the fringe left about Trump. I have no problem with disagreement withhis policies, however the hatred (TDS) is truly clouding your judgement.

How? As I have posted many times, no need to exaggerate about Trump. It would be Debate Politics malpractice. How can I improve on his latest comment about poisoning the blood of the country? Who needs to do more than role the tape of Jan 6, a date, beginning to be like 9/11, one that needs no explanation. I repeat that it was appropriate that Jan 6 is the Catholic feast of the Epiphany, when Yrump was revealed to the world for what he is.

 

[pocket aces]

Just more asinine TDS. All I want is ufiform voting standards like we used to have when it comes to electing the man or women who will run the country. That means no advantage to either side. And I have no problem whatsoever with more people voting, I just want to make sure they are American citzens legally entitled to vote. If you are against Voter ID, you are pro-voter fraud.

It’s fun reading your Trumper bullshit. I showed my ID when I registered just like everyone has to in my state. Non citizens don’t vote. Just another Trumper bullshit line to keep their anti American loser candidates in power. What’s even better is anytime there is an actual case of voter fraud it is a right winger doing it.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I showed my ID when I registered just like everyone has to in my state.

Unless you are asked to show your ID when you show up at your local precinct to vote, I am not in the least bit impressed, Voter ID bills are to make sure you are the person on the registration rolls. You should have no objection to showing a valid ID when you vote.

 

[pocket aces]

Unless you are asked to show your ID when you show up at your local precinct to vote, I am not in the least bit impressed, Voter ID bills are to make sure you are the person on the registration rolls. You should have no objection to showing a valid ID when you vote.

States are allowed to make their own rules when it comes to voting. My state allows me to vote by mail, and verify my signature. Funny in all these years I have been doing so, no fraud has ever been reported. No one really cares what an insurrection supporter like you thinks about our democratic process anyway.

 

[Nickyjo]

I repeat that the only reasons we are having this discussion are Trump’s idiotic repeated claims of votes being rigged and conservatives trying to limit the franchise following the Supreme Court’s decision about the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Aside from the huge deals of denying the vote to Black people and women, the major examples of election chicanery were in some big cities like Chicago under Daly and perhaps NYC under Tweed or other machine democrats.

 

[MAGAnificent]

States are allowed to make their own rules when it comes to voting. My state allows me to vote by mail, and verify my signature. Funny in all these years I have been doing so, no fraud has ever been reported.

Running the elections is relegated to the states. However the presidential elecion is also a national election. I am for uniform voting laws for the top office in the land. I don't see mass mailout as secure voting. I hope it will at some point be seriously challenged.

No one really cares what an insurrection supporter like you thinks about our democratic process anyway.

TDS motivated rant.

 

[pocket aces]

Running the elections is relegated to the states. However the presidential elecion is also a national election. I am for uniform voting laws for the top office in the land. I don't see mass mailout as secure voting. I hope it will at some point be seriously challenged.

TDS motivated rant.

Try not not supporting an anti American piece of shit traitor, and maybe somebody might care what you think about our democratic process.

 

[dockside]

With or without what litle Trump was able to do, the ACA is till one enourmous stinky smelly pile of shit. I fled the private health insurance system to get away from it.

IOW, you are without health insurance. UNLESS you have Medicare or the VA or Medicaid which are government health insurance programs. I do hope you are covered by something. For your own well-being and for the taxpayers. Those that aren't often use the ER and we, as taxpayers, pay for it in the end.

 

[Nickyjo]

With or without what litle Trump was able to do, the ACA is till one enourmous stinky smelly pile of shit. I fled the private health insurance system to get away from it.

Sorry you had a bad experience. The ACA has helped my family, and gotten millions more insured. I repeat that Democrats probably would have wanted something like Medicare for all, akin to what our allies have, but the ACA was the best they could get. The power of insurance companies was such that they couldn’t even get a public option in the ACA.

But do you know if the GOP has plans for the ACA should they gain the power to change it in 2024? It seems to me that as it has gotten more popular, they have abandon repeal and replace.

 

[Fearandloathing]

That should give you some idea as to how bad the alternative was.

You need an idea of how stupid is that post.

 

[aociswundumho]

You need an idea of how stupid is that post.

Maybe, but it's still true.

 

[Nickyjo]

I could provide a copy of my health insrance rates just previos to the mandates going into effect in 2013, my cancellation letter from Blue Cross/Blue Shield and their quotes for the ACA approved policy I was expected to accept, however his is an anonymous talkboard

And God Bless him for doing so.

Actually it was after removing the mandate that rhe rate of increases slowed as the providers worked out that they would have to compete at least a little bit for customers.

The reality is that it's not about Trump. The A.C.A. was signed into law in advance of the 2010 election. Most of the mandates kicked hit in 2013. Trump took office in 2017. As for replacing the ACA, it should not be about just one politician. The next president whoever that is should do what should have been done in the first place. Both parties in congress should have worked and negotiated to come up with a health insrance plan that both sides, te president, and the American people would accept and agree with. That is not what happened with the ACA. The democrats and Obama went one party rule because they had the numbers at the time to get away with it. However they paid dearly for that in the 2010 midterms where they lost control of the House of Reps as well as the majority of state legislatures, which in effect gave the gerrymandering advantage to republicans. Then they lost the Senate in 2014 as more ACA mandates went into effect. An even better option for Health Insurance reform would have been to just let the states come up with their own plans as they would have been more accountable to their voters. Health Insurance reform was certainly needed, however the A.C.A was not the answer. Not even close.

The problem is that the GOP position was 1-America has the best healthcare system in the world (false); 2- the fantasy of health savings accounts; 3- some version of “in Canada and Europe you have to wait ten years for a knee replacement.”

I assume that democrats knew that the ACA, which had some republican roots, was the best they could get, so they went for it as sort of a foot in the door. And their success can be measured by the GOP going from nada to Trump’s vague promises and the party’s preaching “repeal and replace,” with the word in bold proof that the democrats successfully moved the needle on the debate.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

He is nothing but a broken record of making promises (to get votes) and then failing.

Replace ACA = FAIL
Infrastructure = FAIL
Lock Her Up = FAIL
Wipe Out National Debt = FAIL

Hell, Response To COVID = FAIL



FOOLED ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU...

Yup. You're absolutely right. I guess I'll have to vote for the guy who...

Promised the border was secure, when it obviously isn't.
Promised the economy was better, when it only got better for corporations.
Caused record inflation in the smallest amount of time since the Great Depression
Showed how the democrat party are all a bunch of anti-Semites.
Allowed the racist CRT wokism to run rampant and unchecked.
Continues to lie about his crackhead son and about him being the "Big Guy" in the corruption.
Ran like a little bitch out of Afghanistan, without a plan, giving billions in hardware to the Taliban.
Wages war on energy, thinking somehow that's going to make green energy a "thing" within a year or two.
Didn't really do anything to make the COVID response any better. In fact, he made it worse.
Stood up in front of the world and in front of an ominously evil-looking blood red background proclaimed 74MM Americans as "terrorists."
Is pushing for a full-on Orwellian "1984" where the IRS is "big brother" who will use kangaroo courts to ostracize those 74MM Americans.
Rejoined the fully corrupt WHO.
Can't string two sentences together without forgetting where he's at.
Has the worst approval rating since the beginning of presidential polling. TWICE as low as Trump in 2019.

 

[Nickyjo]

Yup. You're absolutely right. I guess I'll have to vote for the guy who...

Promised the border was secure, when it obviously isn't.

He’s attempting to adhere to US law and treaty obligations. Don’t like it, get the law amended or repealed and withdraw from the treaties. Law and order can bite you in the ass sometimes.

Promised the economy was better, when it only got better for corporations.

Low unemployment, less inflation than in similar countries dealing with inflation causing emergence from COVID lockdown

SL Caused record inflation in the smallest amount of time since the Great Depression

As noted, lower in the US than among our allies.

Showed how the democrat party are all a bunch of anti-Semites.

Oh I see, criticism of Netanyahu’s right wing policies - much as Jews in Israel do, amounts to anti-Semitism.

Allowed the racist CRT wokism to run rampant and unchecked.

CRT is a legit, albeit debatable analysis of institutions in the US, saying they are racist insofar as they maintain racial divisions, the key word being “insofar,” which word is ignored by those who attack CRT.

Continues to lie about his crackhead son and about him being the "Big Guy" in the corruption.
Ran like a little bitch out of Afghanistan, without a plan, giving billions in hardware to the Taliban.

Following Trump’s plan. But check your history. It is not without reason that Afghanistan is called “the graveyard of empires.” No country going back - England, Russia, the U.S. - has exited in an orderly manner. (Cf. the great film “The Man Who Would be King” to learn of imperial folly there.)

Wages war on energy, thinking somehow that's going to make green energy a "thing" within a year or two.

As are our allies.

Didn't really do anything to make the COVID response any better. In fact, he made it worse.
Stood up in front of the world and in front of an ominously evil-looking blood red background proclaimed 74MM Americans as "terrorists."
Is pushing for a full-on Orwellian "1984" where the IRS is "big brother" who will use kangaroo courts to ostracize those 74MM Americans.
Rejoined the fully corrupt WHO.
Can't string two sentences together without forgetting where he's at.
Has the worst approval rating since the beginning of presidential polling. TWICE as low as Trump in 2019.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Anyone who actually thinks Weekend at Biden's is "adhering to the law" regarding Illegal Immigration automatically disqualifies themselves and anything but absolute tribalist. Tens of thousands are pouring through EVERY DAY. Get your freakin' head out of the sand.

Is It a Crime to Cross the U.S. Border Without Permission or Gain Entry By Fraud?

Illegal entry (or "improper entry") to the US carries criminal penalties (fines and jail or prison time), in addition to civil penalties and immigration consequences

www.alllaw.com

 

[Nickyjo]

Anyone who actually thinks Weekend at Biden's is "adhering to the law" regarding Illegal Immigration automatically disqualifies themselves and anything but absolute tribalist. Tens of thousands are pouring through EVERY DAY. Get your freakin' head out of the sand.

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Is It a Crime to Cross the U.S. Border Without Permission or Gain Entry By Fraud?

Illegal entry (or "improper entry") to the US carries criminal penalties (fines and jail or prison time), in addition to civil penalties and immigration consequences

www.alllaw.com

I repeat what you seem to ignore - tho perhaps understandably, as the media often does as well - that Biden is navigating between two of his obligations: First to see that the border is controlled (and plenty of people are being stopped and returned). Second to adhere to US law and the obligations of three ratified treaties, to allow anyone to apply for asylum, irrespective of their immigration status, and not to return people who face persecution. Those two obligations are in obvious tension here.

 

[MAGAnificent]

The problem is that the GOP position was 1-America has the best healthcare system in the world (false); 2- the fantasy of health savings accounts;

America did have the best healthcare in the world and technically still does. However the republicans did not claim that the health insurance system did not need reform. It did and still does. However the A.C.A. was not the way to go about it. The ACA overall made health the health insurance system far worse.

I assume that democrats knew that the ACA, which had some republican roots, was the best they could get, so they went for it as sort of a foot in the door. And their success can be measured by the GOP going from nada to Trump’s vague promises and the party’s preaching “repeal and replace,” with the word in bold proof that the democrats successfully moved the needle on the debate.

The ACA was written and passed by the democrats in congress and signed by a democrat president. The fact that some of you are still attempting to force a share of the blame to republicans is hilarious. It was written and passed into law by democrat one party rule. Not a single republican voted in favor of it. As for Trump's alleged vagueness of repeal and replacement, you are not being intellectually honest. First, the replacement should be both parties negotiating to come up with reform that both sides and the American voting public can accept, and second, Trump made it clear that even with repeal, existing ACA policies could be grandfathered to reform policies, and pre-existing conditions would be covered. Did you not work out what a disaster the ACA was for the democrat party? Immediately opon passage, they lost the majority of state legislative branches in the 2010 midterms, giving the republicans the gerrymandering advantage that the democrats had held for over six decades. Then when the ACA mandates started taking effect in 2013, they lost the Senate to the GOP.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Oh I see, once again you have no response/rebuttal to the examples if why I hate Trump’s insults or oppose his policies. I hate torture, have seen its effects in people I worked with. Trump promised to do more. I don’t like killing children, but Trump says we should kill terrorists’ kids. I am for adhering to the law, but Trump faces scores of felony counts.

I am not concerned with your issues with Trump's insults or his policies. I have issues with Biden's insults and policies as well. As for torture, if we are talking captured terrorists who have information that may stop a known incomin terrorist attack or save American lives, I don't like torture either, but would do what is necessary to prevent another 9/11/01 level terrorist attack or rescue hostages. And I don'rt know that Trump said he would kill kids. I have only heard that on this talkboard and have no idea where any such quote came from or the context.

Methinks you might have an unhealthy hate for the truth about Trump.

Methinks you might have an unhealthy hate for the truth about Biden.

 

[Nickyjo]

America did have the best healthcare in the world and technically still does. However the republicans did not claim that the health insurance system did not need reform. It did and still does. However the A.C.A. was not the way to go about it. The ACA overall made health the health insurance system far worse.

The comparative health stats between the US and similar countries don’t support your argument. The US had spent more with poorer results. Look it up.

The ACA was written and passed by the democrats in congress and signed by a democrat president. The fact that some of you are still attempting to force a share of the blame to republicans is hilarious.

It’s not blame, it’s credit, in that some of the basics of the ACA had republican roots. But if you want to put increased coverage for millions of Americans on the democrats…

It was written and passed into law by democrat one party rule. Not a single republican voted in favor of it.

Absolutely right. The dems moved when they had the chance, much as the GOP did, only to be frustrated by McCain. Republicans used to care about social benefits, conceding here and there that indeed, we are all in this together, as the Latin word from which “society” comes, socius, meaning ally. Look at the biggies: A large number of Republicans supported Social Security. Fewer, but still significant numbers voted for Medicare. But their downward spiral reached its nadir with their response to the ACA. The GOP has become either more extreme overall since, say Goldwater, and/or it has become hostage to the louder extremists in the party, as evidenced by Kevin McCarthy’s fate.

As for Trump's alleged vagueness of repeal and replacement, you are not being intellectually honest. First, the replacement should be both parties negotiating to come up with reform that both sides and the American voting public can accept, and second, Trump made it clear that even with repeal, existing ACA policies could be grandfathered to reform policies, and pre-existing conditions would be covered. Did you not work out what a disaster the ACA was for the democrat party? Immediately opon passage, they lost the majority of state legislative branches in the 2010 midterms, giving the republicans the gerrymandering advantage that the democrats had held for over six decades. Then when the ACA mandates started taking effect in 2013, they lost the Senate to the GOP.
Since then, the popularity of the ACA has gone up significantly while the push to get rid of it has faded. It has protected me and my family. Got something better, put it out there. Democrats would jump at some version of Medicare for all. As far as I know, tho the ball is in the GOP’s court, they have not introduced legislation or even had hearings in the House on the issue, actions which would likely involve participation by democrats.

The GOP approach to social legislation like the above-mentioned has often involved first, its extremes predicting the Apocalypse, followed by acceptance of the new reality with at times sensible amendments or changes reflecting their bias towards the private sector, then full throated defense of the previous anathema, albeit with some predictions of an upcoming disaster (e.g., Social Security is doomed). The best comment reflective of one of their real reasons for opposition to the ACA came from one of them worrying that success of the ACA might be another example to voters that actions by government can be effective to address problems.