Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

Empirica · Nov 18, 2011

Jetboogieman said:
I really don't think there's a required explanation.

Your premise exclaims that the media "downplayed" those things that you listed, apart from alot of them being idiotic such as Obama palling around with Terrorists and criminals, charges such as "He began his political career in Ayers living room" it completely ignores that these things were in fact not downplayed at all! Not in any sense of the word where they downplayed or minimized, they like every other story that comes out about politicians during an election cycle got an extremely decent amount of coverage.

I think this is quite obvious by your very own statement Jboo.

But unlike say Cain for example, who stumbled his way through his allegations, Obama met it head on.

ahso grasshopper;

Empifucious say, "smooth talking guilty man much more convincing than stumbling stuttering innocent man"

(not that Im saying caine is innocent...the jury's still out)

The only reason you like to say things like what you said in your previous post is cause your pissed he got elected and you're pissed the electorate chose to ignore stupid sensationalist reporting that wasn't accurate nor relevent.

I'm not "p-ss-d", but I am very dissapointed in the electorate and it's ever so obvious poor judgement and gullibility.

Gardener · Nov 18, 2011

As to the o.p. In a word, yes.

To give an example, my wife of 30 years told me in May that she wanted a divorce so she could move in her 35 year old boyfriend who she has groomed for the role since she was 36 and he was 19. She had always told me he was "just a friend".

Well, after forcing me out, she is telling the parents of my younger son's friends that I simply moved out. While technically correct -- I did move out on her demand -- just telling these people I moved out implies that I was the one who abandoned my family, and two of the parents have acted very coldly towards me since. I don't want to air out all the laundry out of a need to protect my kid, so I am pretty much stuck. She is one dishonest bitch, and her telling this partial truth is part of her dishonesty.

liblady · Nov 18, 2011

Gardener said:
As to the o.p. In a word, yes.

To give an example, my wife of 30 years told me in May that she wanted a divorce so she could move in her 35 year old boyfriend who she has groomed for the role since she was 36 and he was 19. She had always told me he was "just a friend".

Well, after forcing me out, she is telling the parents of my younger son's friends that I simply moved out. While technically correct -- I did move out on her demand -- just telling these people I moved out implies that I was the one who abandoned my family, and two of the parents have acted very coldly towards me since. I don't want to air out all the laundry out of a need to protect my kid, so I am pretty much stuck. She is one dishonest bitch, and her telling this partial truth is part of her dishonesty.

i applaud your stance to protect your child, but how old is he/she?

liblady · Nov 18, 2011

Empirica said:
Actually, although it wasnt offered as a poll option, a lie by omission can be more damaging than an outright lie which more often than not will eventually come to lite leaving the perpetrator a reputation of unreliability. Politicians and journalists are rarely guilty of bold face lies.

This is most prominent in the many cases of biased jounalism that takes place everyday when ommission of facts and pertinant information can and does affect voter decisions regarding policy and political representation leaving the news source's reputation intact and free to recommit.

Take for example the last presidential election during which an agenda driven press ommited and minimized important information concerning the history of Barack Obama whose ties to known criminals, marxists, domestic terrorists and a church whose spiritial leader preached black liberation theology and racism towards whites and jews.

If David Duke was running for president and his history was for the most part unknown to the public, wouldn't his KuKluxKlan history be pertinent information to americans deciding who to vote for? Many people still have faith in the press and if they pick up scraps of information here and there which otherwise is being ommited or minimized by the news, they assume it must not true.

Lies by ommision can and does affect the course of history where as outright lies usually affect little more than our everyday decisions of the here and now.

nope...if indeed the press "lied by omission" about obama, why were there so many articles IN THE PRESS about obama's past? how do you know about his past?

but thanks for bringing politics into this post.

Gardener · Nov 18, 2011

liblady said:
i applaud your stance to protect your child, but how old is he/she?

He is 11.

His 29 year old brother has vowed to tell him the truth some day, but now is not the time. He is is still innocent enough to buy into the notion that the toy boy is "just a friend".

liblady · Nov 18, 2011

Gardener said:
He is 11.

His 29 year old brother has vowed to tell him the truth some day, but now is not the time. He is is still innocent enough to buy into the notion that the toy boy is "just a friend".

that's too bad, and yeah, he's still too young.

Tucker Case · Nov 18, 2011

Gardener said:
He is 11.

His 29 year old brother has vowed to tell him the truth some day, but now is not the time.

That just plain sucks, Gardener. I respect the hell out of you for thinking of your son first and foremost in this situation. That's a big sign of your character and many people wouldn't be strong enough to pull it off.

Gardener · Nov 18, 2011

Tucker Case said:
That just plain sucks, Gardener. I respect the hell out of you for thinking of your son first and foremost in this situation. That's a big sign of your character and many people wouldn't be strong enough to pull it off.

Thanks, man.

I don't know how strong I am, but I sure know I'd rather have a couple of parents think less of me than have my 11 year old's childhood messed up. It already sucks for him having his parents divorce, so I don't want to throw anything more at him.

Empirica · Nov 21, 2011

liblady said:
nope...if indeed the press "lied by omission" about obama, why were there so many articles IN THE PRESS about obama's past? how do you know about his past?

Negative Obama reports are generally first posted on internet blogs which quickly gets picked up by the right-wing news media, FNC(Fox) and of course AM Radio if you consider it a main stream news source, which is debatable.

The left-wing main stream news media(ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC,CNN) conveniently ignores these reports untill right-wing sources flood the airwaves which forces them to either report it or risk appearing unreliable, incompetent, unprofessional and biased.

Their information always includes downplayed reporting, ommissions, attacks on sources, insinuations of racism, etc-etc-etc. More often than not it is little more than a coverup and damage control, thinly disguised as news reporting.

You should know how the routine works if you've been paying attention and not blinded by personal opinions and biases.

but thanks for bringing politics into this post.

You're quite welcome, considering how deceit corrupts elections.

Jerry · Nov 22, 2011

radcen said:
Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

When I say "lying by omission", I mean that a person makes a statement or claim about something knowing full well that they are omitting an important piece of information that might cause the listener or reader to think less favorably about the issue.

While omitting is certainly lying, lying isn't necessarily "bad", so omitting isn't necessarily bad either.

Jerry · Nov 22, 2011

Gardener said:
As to the o.p. In a word, yes.

To give an example, my wife of 30 years told me in May that she wanted a divorce so she could move in her 35 year old boyfriend who she has groomed for the role since she was 36 and he was 19. She had always told me he was "just a friend".

Well, after forcing me out, she is telling the parents of my younger son's friends that I simply moved out. While technically correct -- I did move out on her demand -- just telling these people I moved out implies that I was the one who abandoned my family, and two of the parents have acted very coldly towards me since. I don't want to air out all the laundry out of a need to protect my kid, so I am pretty much stuck. She is one dishonest bitch, and her telling this partial truth is part of her dishonesty.

This is why I support honor killing in the US.

Empirica · Nov 22, 2011

Jerry said:
This is why I support honor killing in the US.

Hmmm? That sounds more like payback than honor.

(not that some people aren't deserving)

And I love your truck.....Boys will be boys, ha-ha.

(thank goodness)

Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?