Is Kilmar a bad man or just a patsy ?

[Felis Leo]

The tattoos were not doctored. People put the information to explain what they meant since most laypersons are not cartel members who use tattoos to identify their fellow cartel members.

Photo Trump shared of Abrego Garcia's tattoos real but altered; no evidence they're gang-related

U.S. President Donald Trump held up a photo supposedly showing that Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand tattoos meant he was a member of the MS-13 gang.

www.snopes.com

Even Snopes, who certainly does not want to cut Trump any slack, understood this.

The photo shows you that for example the marijuana leaf stands for M.

Now the interpretation can be discussed but those tattoos do exist on his hand. That's a fact.

Have you seen actual convicted MS-13 gang members before the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case? They do not hide their gang affiliation behind gay little smiley face and marijuana tattoos on their fingers.

 

[Lursa]

At a distance from this I find it hard to understand. If he was guilty then surely putting him on trial would be just the thing.
But all the bullshit surrounding this case suggests that it might be just a show of strength. The doctored tattoos, the margaritas and the cos playing El \Salvador president suggest as much.

If he is a guilty man then I do wonder if we will see a fair trial in this case. Mr Kilmar has already been tried on social media by people who should know better.

Its a bit of a mess and I cant see how the US wins given the shambles that has led us to this point.

That's what due process and a trial if necessary are for.

I've got no dog in any fight based on Abrego Garcia's character...just like I had none about George Floyd's. That's not the point in either case.

 

[panic buyer]

Classic double down. Nice!

its true though.

 

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[trumptman]

Have you seen actual convicted MS-13 gang members before the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case? They do not hide their gang affiliation behind gay little smiley face and marijuana tattoos on their fingers.

Oh tell us all about your gang expertise. Which cartel do you belong to?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Those are called labels. They are placed on photos all the time to explain things to people.

Trump knew what he was doing..... disinformation, lying, and defamation.

A consequence of having a convicted felon with psychological disorders in the Oval Office.

 

[JMR]

IIRC, the US is paying El Salvador to take illegal aliens deported from the US who aren’t citizens of El Salvador. ‘Maryland man’ was supposedly sent there as a ‘mistake’, but was believed to be a MS-13 gang member.

I guess it's easy enough to make a mistake like that when staging made for TV raids... It wasn't a mistake to refuse to get him back.

 

[panic buyer]

It looks like they have deported that chap and then spent time looking for a case to back it up.

 

[Lursa]

Oh tell us all about your gang expertise. Which cartel do you belong to?

Why are you asking more questions instead of answering his first?

 

[trumptman]

Why are you asking more questions instead of answering his first?

His questions are implying that he will lord a type of expertise over the discussion. I told him to substantiate his expertise before worrying about his digression.

Realize the person hasn't been charged for their tattoos and the tattoos need not be proof of his membership in a cartel. He is back in the United States charged with human trafficking.

Perhaps you would like to volunteer your expertise in human trafficking before you'll allow a discussion on it I suppose.

 

[Lursa]

His questions are implying that he will lord a type of expertise over the discussion. I told him to substantiate his expertise before worrying about his digression.

Realize the person hasn't been charged for their tattoos and the tattoos need not be proof of his membership in a cartel. He is back in the United States charged with human trafficking.

Perhaps you would like to volunteer your expertise in human trafficking before you'll allow a discussion on it I suppose.

Ha ha, you are projecting some kind of insecurity here. It's an anonymous forum...take what he posts and prove him wrong, instead of hiding.

Dont deflect to me...answer his questions then ask him to answer yours...that's how discussions work.

 

[trumptman]

Ha ha, you are projecting some kind of insecurity here. It's an anonymous forum...take what he posts and prove him wrong, instead of hiding.

Dont deflect to me...answer his questions then ask him to answer yours...that's how discussions work.

Based off my claimed expertise in psychology, I can tell you aren't really interested in or even able to really understand the discussion point. Since you can't I've now declared myself correct based off your lack of expertise and lack of ability to even understand what I am saying.

If you think what I typed is bullshit then you've made my prior point for me.

You're welcome.

 

[Lursa]

Based off my claimed expertise in psychology, I can tell you aren't really interested in or even able to really understand the discussion point.

I'm not. Wow, your expertise is amazing!

Since you can't I've now declared myself correct based off your lack of expertise and lack of ability to even understand what I am saying.

What does your "expertise" say about statements so defensive and "conveniently speculative"?

If you think what I typed is bullshit then you've made my prior point for me.

You're welcome.

I merely posted to encourage you to show you actually had something to prove the other poster wrong, counter his posts...instead of hiding. And you are doubling down by "claiming expertise in psychology?" And being wholly off-base in your conclusion. Come on, this is hilarious!

 

[trumptman]

I'm not. Wow, your expertise is amazing!



What does your "expertise" say about statements so defensive and speculative?



I merely posted to encourage you to show you actually had something to prove the other poster wrong, counter his posts...instead of hiding. And you are doubling down by "claiming expertise in psychology?" And being wholly off-base in your conclusion. Come on, this is hilarious!

You failed to grasp my second point which now means you've actually ironically become double incompetent.

The only "hiding" being done is being unwilling to accept someone trying wield the "expert" card when they have no credentials and no point.

"I'm an expert" isn't a discussion topic or point.

Hopefully now you get that.

 

[Lursa]

You failed to grasp my second point which now means you've actually ironically become double incompetent.

The only "hiding" being done is being unwilling to accept someone trying wield the "expert" card when they have no credentials and no point.

"I'm an expert" isn't a discussion topic or point.

Hopefully now you get that.

I'm not. Wow, your expertise is amazing!

What does your "expertise" say about statements so defensive and "conveniently speculative"?

I merely posted to encourage you to show you actually had something to prove the other poster wrong, counter his posts...instead of hiding. And you are doubling down by "claiming expertise in psychology?" And being wholly off-base in your conclusion. Come on, this is hilarious!

 

[ClaraD]

The tattoos are not doctored. They are real.

The letters MS-13 were doctored....the real tattoos aren't indicative of gang membership.

 

[ClaraD]

The only thing requiring proof is that he’s an illegal alien. The theory that illegal immigration is OK unless some (other) ‘serious’ law is violated makes no sense.



US immigration law is useless without adequate enforcement. Just because other countries are deemed worse (to live in) than the US doesn’t obligate the US to accept their citizens who choose to illegally enter (or remain in) the US.

He was granted withholding of deportation which meant that he was legally present in the country...he was granted both a social security number and permission to work in the United States...all indications to you that his status was legal. If USCIS wanted to reverse that, they needed to go back to court and show that circumstances had changed and requested that they be granted permission to deport him.

 

[JMB1911A1]

The letters MS-13 were doctored....the real tattoos aren't indicative of gang membership.

No they were NOT doctored. They are what people who look at photos call annotations that explain the meaning of his tattoos. Why the deliberate falsehood?

 

[ClaraD]

IIRC, the US is paying El Salvador to take illegal aliens deported from the US who aren’t citizens of El Salvador. ‘Maryland man’ was supposedly sent there as a ‘mistake’, but was believed to be a MS-13 gang member.

the accusation was made by an officer who was suspended and fired in December 2022 for misconduct in office.

 

[ClaraD]

Oh tell us all about your gang expertise. Which cartel do you belong to?

why are you accusing another poster of being a criminal?

 

[ClaraD]

No they were NOT doctored. They are what people who look at photos call annotations that explain the meaning of his tattoos. Why the deliberate falsehood?

They were doctored....even Trump thought they were real and was using that as his evidence that the guy belonged to MS 13.

 

[JMB1911A1]

They were doctored....even Trump thought they were real and was using that as his evidence that the guy belonged to MS 13.

No they weren’t doctored. Someone who thinks they were doctored would probably also think that you can’t use .22LR rounds in a pistol.

 

[ClaraD]

No they weren’t doctored. Someone who thinks they were doctored would probably also think that you can’t use .22LR rounds in a pistol.

So, you think that the letters MS 13 are real? Wtf...stop acting like that was not their intent...because it absolutely was...we only need to look at Trump's words about it.

Have you figured out that you don't know the difference between illegal presence and illegal entry