Is Kilmar a bad man or just a patsy ?

[panic buyer]

At a distance from this I find it hard to understand. If he was guilty then surely putting him on trial would be just the thing.
But all the bullshit surrounding this case suggests that it might be just a show of strength. The doctored tattoos, the margaritas and the cos playing El \Salvador president suggest as much.

If he is a guilty man then I do wonder if we will see a fair trial in this case. Mr Kilmar has already been tried on social media by people who should know better.

Its a bit of a mess and I cant see how the US wins given the shambles that has led us to this point.

 

[trumptman]

At a distance from this I find it hard to understand. If he was guilty then surely putting him on trial would be just the thing.
But all the bullshit surrounding this case suggests that it might be just a show of strength. The doctored tattoos, the margaritas and the cos playing El \Salvador president suggest as much.

If he is a guilty man then I do wonder if we will see a fair trial in this case. Mr Kilmar has already been tried on social media by people who should know better.

Its a bit of a mess and I cant see how the US wins given the shambles that has led us to this point.

The tattoos were not doctored. People put the information to explain what they meant since most laypersons are not cartel members who use tattoos to identify their fellow cartel members.

Photo Trump shared of Abrego Garcia's tattoos real but altered; no evidence they're gang-related

U.S. President Donald Trump held up a photo supposedly showing that Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand tattoos meant he was a member of the MS-13 gang.

www.snopes.com

Even Snopes, who certainly does not want to cut Trump any slack, understood this.

The photo shows you that for example the marijuana leaf stands for M.

Now the interpretation can be discussed but those tattoos do exist on his hand. That's a fact.

 

[panic buyer]

The tattoos were not doctored. People put the information to explain what they meant since most laypersons are not cartel members who use tattoos to identify their fellow cartel members.

Photo Trump shared of Abrego Garcia's tattoos real but altered; no evidence they're gang-related

U.S. President Donald Trump held up a photo supposedly showing that Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand tattoos meant he was a member of the MS-13 gang.

www.snopes.com

Even Snopes, who certainly does not want to cut Trump any slack, understood this.

The photo shows you that for example the marijuana leaf stands for M.

Now the interpretation can be discussed but those tattoos do exist on his hand. That's a fact.

The right way is to prove those allegations in a court.That goes back to Magna Carta. Trump has acted like a despot in this case by suspending baic rights.
The issue being he now wants a court to rubber stamp his idiocy.
Thats a problem for a fair trial. Finding a jury will be a cjallenge.

 

[trumptman]

The right way is to prove those allegations in a court.That goes back to Magna Carta. Trump has acted like a despot in this case by suspending baic rights.
The issue being he now wants a court to rubber stamp his idiocy.
Thats a problem for a fair trial. Finding a jury will be a cjallenge.

Every criminal in the world is not our responsibility. They can be shipped back to their native countries where they can be tried and jailed for their crimes.

However if you're going to force him to be here, well you and the other defenders of human trafficking can enjoy watching him go in a cell rather than having margaritas.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The right way is to prove those allegations in a court.

The only thing requiring proof is that he’s an illegal alien. The theory that illegal immigration is OK unless some (other) ‘serious’ law is violated makes no sense.

That goes back to Magna Carta. Trump has acted like a despot in this case by suspending baic rights.
The issue being he now wants a court to rubber stamp his idiocy.
Thats a problem for a fair trial. Finding a jury will be a cjallenge.

US immigration law is useless without adequate enforcement. Just because other countries are deemed worse (to live in) than the US doesn’t obligate the US to accept their citizens who choose to illegally enter (or remain in) the US.

 

[j brown's body]

The tattoos were not doctored. People put the information to explain what they meant since most laypersons are not cartel members who use tattoos to identify their fellow cartel members.

Photo Trump shared of Abrego Garcia's tattoos real but altered; no evidence they're gang-related

U.S. President Donald Trump held up a photo supposedly showing that Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand tattoos meant he was a member of the MS-13 gang.

www.snopes.com

Even Snopes, who certainly does not want to cut Trump any slack, understood this.

The photo shows you that for example the marijuana leaf stands for M.

Now the interpretation can be discussed but those tattoos do exist on his hand. That's a fact.

"...no evidence they're gang-related."​

 

[trumptman]

"...no evidence they're gang-related."​

The tattoos are not doctored. They are real.

 

[j brown's body]

The tattoos are not doctored. They are real.

What does that have to do with the fact that there's no evidence they are gang related?

 

[Rogue Valley]

The tattoos were not doctored. People put the information to explain what they meant since most laypersons are not cartel members who use tattoos to identify their fellow cartel members.

Photo Trump shared of Abrego Garcia's tattoos real but altered; no evidence they're gang-related

U.S. President Donald Trump held up a photo supposedly showing that Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand tattoos meant he was a member of the MS-13 gang.

www.snopes.com

Even Snopes, who certainly does not want to cut Trump any slack, understood this.

The photo shows you that for example the marijuana leaf stands for M.

Now the interpretation can be discussed but those tattoos do exist on his hand. That's a fact.

What Trump held up for the cameras was a Photoshopped image. Trump must have been aware of this blatant disinformation.

On April 29, in an interview with ABC News' Terry Moran, Trump repeatedly referenced the claim that Abrego Garcia had "MS-13" tattooed on his hand, saying it proved he was a gang member.

Snopes readers searched the site and wrote to us asking if the photograph was real and if it proved Abrego Garcia was affiliated with MS-13. While publicly available evidence confirmed the image shared by Trump was authentic in origin, it also confirmed that the image had been altered to insert the text "MS-13" above the actual tattoos — in effect annotating them. There was no clear evidence the symbols on Abrego Garcia's fingers proved an affiliation with MS-13.

Photo Trump shared of Abrego Garcia's tattoos real but altered; no evidence they're gang-related

U.S. President Donald Trump held up a photo supposedly showing that Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand tattoos meant he was a member of the MS-13 gang.

www.snopes.com

 

[panic buyer]

The only thing requiring proof is that he’s an illegal alien. The theory that illegal immigration is OK unless some (other) ‘serious’ law is violated makes no sense.



US immigration law is useless without adequate enforcement. Just because other countries are deemed worse (to live in) than the US doesn’t obligate the US to accept their citizens who choose to illegally enter (or remain in) the US.

You havent proved he is "illegal". The place to do that is in a court room. I thought America felt strongly about rights. You prove me wrong.
You cant have faceless bureaucrats making these decisions. Like soviet ruddia or nazi Germany.

 

[panic buyer]

Every criminal in the world is not our responsibility. They can be shipped back to their native countries where they can be tried and jailed for their crimes.

However if you're going to force him to be here, well you and the other defenders of human trafficking can enjoy watching him go in a cell rather than having margaritas.

You make my point. Very difficult to find a jury.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You havent proved he is "illegal".

It’s been proven (at least twice in court) that he illegally (aka without permission) entered the US.

The place to do that is in a court room. I thought America felt strongly about rights. You prove me wrong.
You cant have faceless bureaucrats making these decisions. Like soviet ruddia or nazi Germany.

 

[panic buyer]

It’s been proven (at least twice in court) that he illegally (aka without permission) entered the US.

But that isnt why he was kidnapped.The regime seems to be inventing facts after the fact. That isnt how it works.

 

[ttwtt78640]

But that isnt why he was kidnapped.The regime seems to be inventing facts after the fact. That isnt how it works.

Some demanded he get more ‘due process’ and now complain when that’s being done.

 

[trumptman]

What Trump held up for the cameras was a Photoshopped image. Trump must have been aware of this blatant disinformation.

Photo Trump shared of Abrego Garcia's tattoos real but altered; no evidence they're gang-related

U.S. President Donald Trump held up a photo supposedly showing that Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand tattoos meant he was a member of the MS-13 gang.

www.snopes.com

Annotating is not altering.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Annotating is not altering.

Assuming (or alleging) isn’t proving.

 

[trumptman]

What does that have to do with the fact that there's no evidence they are gang related?

According to completely unnamed and unsourced "gang experts" per Snopes?

As I said at the beginning Snopes is not Trump friendly. They had to get a dig in about the fact check since they had to confirm the tattoos were in fact real and not photoshopped onto his hand. The thing people were calling fake were the annotations.

"Yeah but they're not real MS13 gang tattoos"

You've already moved the goalposts a half dozen times.

They are real tattoos. He is really here illegally. He had due process and a deportation order. Now he is charged with trafficking.

Please... keep digging.

 

[trumptman]

Assuming (or alleging) isn’t proving.

AEA does not require them to be a proven gang member.

 

[ttwtt78640]

AEA does not require them to be a proven gang member.

WTF? Are you saying that anyone simply assumed to be an ‘alien enemy’ can be deported?

 

[j brown's body]

The administration doesn't care to prove the tattoos are gang related while insisting that they are.

 

[trumptman]

WTF? Are you saying that anyone simply assumed to be an ‘alien enemy’ can be deported?

Not anyone. Trump listened specific countries and the nationals from the country to whom it applied.

Try to keep up.

 

[CaughtInThe]

That's not the point.

There are tons of horrible people in our country and they all deserve due process.

 

[panic buyer]

According to completely unnamed and unsourced "gang experts" per Snopes?

As I said at the beginning Snopes is not Trump friendly. They had to get a dig in about the fact check since they had to confirm the tattoos were in fact real and not photoshopped onto his hand. The thing people were calling fake were the annotations.

"Yeah but they're not real MS13 gang tattoos"

You've already moved the goalposts a half dozen times.

They are real tattoos. He is really here illegally. He had due process and a deportation order. Now he is charged with trafficking.

Please... keep digging.

Scopes is not a court. Neither is some shadowy right wing bureaucrat.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Not anyone. Trump listened specific countries and the nationals from the country to whom it applied.

Try to keep up.

Nope, you seem to have ignored that (bolded above). It only applies to ‘terrorists’ or ‘gang members’ (aka enemies) from those “specific countries”. Obviously, not every foreign national from those “specific countries” is a ‘terrorist’ or ‘gang member’.

 

[trumptman]

Nope, you seem to have ignored that (bolded above). It only applies to ‘terrorists’ or ‘gang members’ (aka enemies) from those “specific countries”. Obviously, not every foreign national from those “specific countries” is a ‘terrorist’ or ‘gang member’.

Nope. He used the cartels to label the country but it applies to all males 14 and older from that country.