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Is it time to start talking about repealing the second amendment?

Is it time to start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 13.0%

  • No

    Votes: 92 85.2%

  • Possibly

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • Total voters
    108
Citizen.Seven said:
MRI has the risk of dislodging any type of metal that may be in the person, such as prosthesis and/or dental fillings made of metal. It's also possible that any accumulation of metal in tissue may cause damage in surrounding tissue. Those are relatively low risks, but they are risks, and the justification for an MRI is that the diagnostic information gained has a medical benefit that exceeds the medical risk of the procedure.
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So, people without metal in them cannot undertake an MRI procedure. But, knowing this, what are the odds that psychopaths, sociopaths, impulsive murderers, paranoid-schizophrenics, might instill a metal in their broken bones (self or other inflicted broken bones at that) in purpose, just to avoid brain scans?

Citizen.Seven said:
That's not a medical value, in the sense that if there is no indication of a problem, then the procedure is unwarranted medically. And certainly not on a recurring basis, which would be outcome for multiple gun purchases over time.
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Medical or not, it just a matter of policy for MRI's to be used for other than medical purposes.
 
DDD said:
Irrelevant.

I just want murderers to have it more difficult to get to legal guns, and possible be arrested while purchasing illegal guns, so as to then prevent mass murders occurring at abnormal rates at an ally country of ours.
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no you don't so stop the silliness. Nothing you have proposed has any hope of doing any good
 
I'm thinking Chicago might be the first city to conduct trials of scanning. Maybe they should attach a giant scanner on the belly of an aircraft to save time. They could mount a gun on the aircraft to shoot the perps once identified. :2razz:
 
American said:
Link isn't opening for me. Have you had your brain scanned yet?
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you wonder what scans would show of the brains of some of the people who propose such silly intrusions on constitutional rights
 
DDD said:
So, people without metal in them cannot undertake an MRI procedure. But, knowing this, what are the odds that psychopaths, sociopaths, impulsive murderers, paranoid-schizophrenics, might instill a metal in their broken bones (self or other inflicted broken bones at that) in purpose, just to avoid brain scans?



Medical or not, it just a matter of policy for MRI's to be used for other than medical purposes.
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I have had a bunch of MRIs-the price I pay for having been a pro athlete in younger life. and each time they took at least an hour and my insurance company was billed around 1000 dollars. there are millions of firearms bought each year while there are lots of indigent people who probably need MRIs who cannot get them.

do you even have a clue what silliness you are proposing? whose going to pay for all those new multi million MRI machines

maybe Buttinski foreigners who want to take a dump on our constitution

find another way of trying to piss on the second amendment, your current suggestion is rejected merely on costs and access to MRIs alone
 
Citizen.Seven said:
MRI has the risk of dislodging any type of metal that may be in the person, such as prosthesis and/or dental fillings made of metal. It's also possible that any accumulation of metal in tissue may cause damage in surrounding tissue. Those are relatively low risks, but they are risks, and the justification for an MRI is that the diagnostic information gained has a medical benefit that exceeds the medical risk of the procedure.

That's not a medical value, in the sense that if there is no indication of a problem, then the procedure is unwarranted medically. And certainly not on a recurring basis, which would be outcome for multiple gun purchases over time.
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some would say if some politician actually tried to impose such a "Brave New world" bit of fascism on the USA they might well end up having some metal in their bodies! like copper clad lead!:mrgreen:
 
DDD said:
So, people without metal in them cannot undertake an MRI procedure. But, knowing this, what are the odds that psychopaths, sociopaths, impulsive murderers, paranoid-schizophrenics, might instill a metal in their broken bones (self or other inflicted broken bones at that) in purpose, just to avoid brain scans?
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Um, sure, I guess. It's your proposal, you tell me. Of course, the issue isn't so much that list you give avoiding the minority report brain scans, rather people with no history of mental illness or other medical indication having to undergo a medical procedure in order to exert a right. If you really think the USFG has that authority, that it is even vaguely consistent with the 2A, 4A, 5A, and possibly 8A, then you also think that if there wer enough support for it, the USFG could also require drug tests prior to voting, or brain scans prior to the exercise of free speech, or psychological evaluations prior to abortion, or any number of medical procedures prior to the exercise of a right.

Medical or not, it just a matter of policy for MRI's to be used for other than medical purposes.
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Not ethically, and good luck finding physicians willing to order, or radiologists willing to interpret, non-medically necessary procedures. There's also the matter of who bears the cost, as well as the liability if something goes wrong during the procedure.

I mean, I get it, you want to stick it to gun owners. This is a horrible way to do it, and it has the potential to bite you in the ass over a right you actually care about.
 
DDD said:
Already presented in this thread. But since I have time now, here:

Reduced prefrontal and increased subcortical brain functioning assessed using positron emission tomography in predatory and affective murderers - Raine - 1998 - Behavioral Sciences & the Law - Wiley Online Library
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You realize that with PET scans, a radioactive substance is actually injected in the body, right? And you realize that each such injection has a small, but non-zero, induced cancer risk associated with it? Are you seriously suggesting it be used as a screening tool for gun purchases? That is absolutely monstrous.
 
DDD said:
I will not. Why?
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so your postings are what some would call mental masturbation since none of what you proposed is based on a good faith belief it will do any good and thus what others have claimed-your goal is to harass gun owners-has been established as admitted
 
DDD said:
At gun point?
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yeah its an interesting bit of irony that most gun haters require men with guns to impose the idiotic schemes gun banners want to make gun owners comply with
 
Removable Mind said:
With all due respect, MRI's aren't near as advanced as you've suggested.

According to the "National Mental Health Institute"....

Oh, and I'm an atheist. My reference to "Jesus" was a little tongue-in-cheek comment.
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From the source:

1) It states that MRI alone cannot be used to detect mental illness. The murderers are more of personality disorders, and those according to research are more different than normal brains.

2) MRI is used in research and I speak of findings there.

3) All the other questions in background checks remain. The MRI adds to them by providing an additional diagnosis to rule out whether one is normal to use 2A rights.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah its an interesting bit of irony that most gun haters require men with guns to impose the idiotic schemes gun banners want to make gun owners comply with
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Nah, rather from MRI point. Out the murderers go from milking from the the 2A right tit and pretend to be ordinary 2A users only to get easy access to kill innocent unarmed people.

If one must use the position above, then "yes" - At gun point would psychopaths, sociopaths, impulsive murderers, paranoid-schizophrenics, and perhaps people with autism, lay down on the floor after being caught in the black market looking for guns.
 
DDD said:
Nah, rather from MRI point. Out the murderers go from milking from the the 2A right tit and pretend to be ordinary 2A users only to get easy access to kill innocent unarmed people.

If one must use the position above, then "yes" - At gun point would psychopaths, sociopaths, impulsive murderers, paranoid-schizophrenics, and perhaps people with autism, lay down on the floor after being caught in the black market looking for guns.
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your solutions are best adopted by some low circulation television show. its complete idiocy to think its going to fly in the USA.
 
TurtleDude said:
so your postings are what some would call mental masturbation since none of what you proposed is based on a good faith belief it will do any good and thus what others have claimed-your goal is to harass gun owners-has been established as admitted
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See above how it is good intent.
 
DDD said:
See above how it is good intent.
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the road to hell is paved with good intentions. and your intentions are to harass gun owners. so the intentions are pernicious
 
DDD said:
Incorrect mentalization of intent.
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I guess my only recourse is to hook you up to some sort of machine and see what really motivates you
 
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