Think you should have made this a poll. I also can't imagine you will find a lot of people who honestly excuse that choice. He himself called it a mistake.
Trump did it in France and then again on Veteran's Day here in the US. What do you say trumpsters? Do you support a president who doesn't honor those who fell in war?
Trump did it in France and then again on Veteran's Day here in the US. What do you say trumpsters? Do you support a president who doesn't honor those who fell in war?
Think you should have made this a poll. I also can't imagine you will find a lot of people who honestly excuse that choice. He himself called it a mistake.
In his mind he is modernizing the Presidency..... traditional ceremonies carry almost no value with him, it is time to think about now...all the problems we have now, and tomorrow.
Honestly, my problem is that I don't want a president that would make that particular mistake. I always took for granted that presidents would honor our fallen heroes. Like I take for granted that my heart beats. People who have heart attacks don't take their heart for granted any more and I don't take a competent president for granted any more either.
Honestly, my problem is that I don't want a president that would make that particular mistake. I always took for granted that presidents would honor our fallen heroes. Like I take for granted that my heart beats. People who have heart attacks don't take their heart for granted any more and I don't take a competent president for granted any more either.
OMG. You're saying that about someone who went to France and saw a parade and wanted one of his very own back home.
I know it's hard on you to have to keep trying to find some way to polish the turd, but it's the job you chose. Try harder.
In the abstract, no it's not okay. As a practical matter, were Trump not to have made such a big deal of his alleged support and respect for veterans, his tepid honorific showings wouldn't be something about which he'd deserve to be chided.Is it okay for the POTUS to skip honoring the follen in battle?
I am trying to explain Trump to you.
Your lack of interest is noted.
Pick an explanation which isn't so easily shot down by Trump's blatant craving for pomp and fanfare. Try harder.
You do understand that we are talking about Trump turning down chances for pomp and fanfare...why he does that....
Consistency is important if you want me to take you seriously.
In his mind he is modernizing the Presidency..... traditional ceremonies carry almost no value with him, it is time to think about now...all the problems we have now, and tomorrow.
Yes, I understand we're talking about why the fanfare-craving Trump turned down two recent opportunities to bask in reflected military glory.
Given Trump's past behavior, your claim was pure poppycock.
That was sheer, unadulterated b.s.
Try harder.
Red:It is not fine, but this is Trump, this is what we get.
In his mind he is modernizing the Presidency..... traditional ceremonies carry almost no value with him, it is time to think about now...all the problems we have now, and tomorrow.
These are desperate times.
Act Accordingly.
You do understand that we are talking about Trump turning down chances for pomp and fanfare...why he does that....
Consistency is important if you want me to take you seriously.
You need to think things through.
Why?
You are not participating, there is nothing here for me.
Red:
- I suppose in one respect one can say that of Trump for he's unempathetic, selfish and self-aggrandizing enough that ceremony that he can't tilt to fete of himself is indeed of no value to him.
- On the other hand, the man adores being the center of attention, "sucking all the air from a room," and having others "put on the dog" and lay red carpets to honor him, so in that sense, ceremony is of great value to him.
Trump has never given a damn about ceremony, being the center of attention is not about ceremony, it is about power.
I am a little surprised that you dont know this.
Trump did it in France and then again on Veteran's Day here in the US. What do you say trumpsters? Do you support a president who doesn't honor those who fell in war?
Red:That is a good question, bearpoker. If you believe that a President is a figure inhabiting an office that is to be idolized, certainly, it is a disgrace. If you believe the president is merely the chief magistrate of the Federal Executive Branch, it is an irrelevancy and has little to nothing to do with his governance whether he went or not; it is of no greater concern than if the head of your local DMV went to a Memorial observance of the fallen. A nice gesture, but certainly nothing that affects his or her governance of the Department. From my perspective, I did not personally care when President Obama engaged in acts of outrage and disrespect towards our country that were overblown by right-wing pundits. Certainly not when he was actually pursuing policies that I believed harmed our country's interests. I am not going to get bent out of shape when Donald Trump personally behaves in a flippant or disrespectful manner. I am more concerned with how he governs, just as I was with President Obama.
As a personal aside, when I became an atheist, I found myself becoming far more worshipful of civic institutions and fonts of Earthly power. Perhaps I was unconsciously filling the void left where God and faith inhabited. Now, as I see it, I am becoming more and more ambivalent towards power and institutions, and I understand the distrust that early philosophical Christians and other ascetic sects have towards them. The idolatry of power is dangerous, and I think Donald Trump serves as a valuable object lesson of this. If he wakes us up to the fact that it is virtue rather than power that is worthy of admiration, all the better.
That aside, I would ask you: What do you think the office of the Presidency is for? Is it merely administrative? Or do you believe the office is more numinous?
I am trying to explain Trump to you.
Your lack of interest is noted.
Is it okay for the POTUS to skip honoring the follen in battle?
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