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Is it bad that Ukraine needs another security guarantee?

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Rubio Takes on Tricky Task of Drafting Security Guarantees for Ukraine​


We can’t end the war without talking to Mr. Putin,” he said in congressional testimony in May, during which he declined to repeat his accusation that the Russian president is a war criminal. “War crimes have been committed, no doubt,” he said. “And who is responsible for that? There will be a time and place for that accountability. But right now, the job is to end the war.”

During their meetings with Mr. Trump, European leaders have been seeking “Article 5-like” protections for Ukraine, a reference to the commitment in NATO’s charter that an attack on one member is considered an attack on all of them. Such a commitment could mean that if European allies send troops to Ukraine and are attacked, then the U.S. would send troops as well, a move Mr. Trump has ruled out. European leaders will also be particularly attuned to the Russian strategy of slowing down negotiations while trying to improve its negotiating position on the battlefield. Ms. Fix said European leaders would remember Russia employing the tactic during the Minsk negotiations in 2014 and 2015 over clashes in eastern Ukraine following Mr. Putin’s annexation of Crimea.


Whatever deal is struck, European leaders would have to sell it at home as well. Mr. Trump suggested this week on Fox News that France, Germany and Britain were prepared to put “boots on the ground” as part of a security guarantee. But residents in those countries have concerns about sending soldiers to die in a foreign land, much as Americans do. “Even if Europeans say we are ready to do that, I would expect that for some countries, it might actually not be that easy, especially if Trump’s security guarantees, or whatever Rubio proposes, is not as strong as Europeans would like to see it,” Ms. Fix said.

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Rubio says we have to get support for it from the country that has violated it in the past and we are to expect enforcement from countries, like ourselves, that have failed to implement it before.

Seems like we're going around in circles. What am I missing here?
 
Seems like we're going around in circles. What am I missing here?

Nothing.

Russia wont agree to end the war unless it can get a promise that if they want, they can resume it later down the line without anyone else intervening.

Ukraine wont surrender unless they get a guarantee Russia wont try again later.
 
Nothing.

Russia wont agree to end the war unless it can get a promise that if they want, they can resume it later down the line without anyone else intervening.

Ukraine wont surrender unless they get a guarantee Russia wont try again later.

We can't trust Putin to abide by it and we can't trust Trump to follow through with it.
 
Russia has already basically rejected any peace guarantee that is meaningful. Rubio can come up with a plan and Europe and NATO can agree but if Putin doesn't buy in then it's worthless. The energy right now should be in getting Putin to agree to a cease fire and getting him to the table with Zelenskyy for serious negotiations
 
The energy right now should be in getting Putin to agree to a cease fire and getting him to the table with Zelenskyy for serious negotiations

Putin doesn't want a ceasefire. Moscow can pound Ukrainian cities every night now with missiles/drones without consequesnce.

Why would he stop?
 
The energy right now should be in getting Putin to agree to a cease fire and getting him to the table with Zelenskyy for serious negotiations



Actually the most serious negotiations are the ones under fire. The Minsk Accords were a case in point. Negotiations were serious before the ceasefire fires, and a joke after the ceasefires
 
Russia has already basically rejected any peace guarantee that is meaningful.


The warmonger Putin insists on his right to murder Ukrainian civilians every night.
 
Russia has already basically rejected any peace guarantee that is meaningful. Rubio can come up with a plan and Europe and NATO can agree but if Putin doesn't buy in then it's worthless. The energy right now should be in getting Putin to agree to a cease fire and getting him to the table with Zelenskyy for serious negotiations
But Russian President cant sit at the table with ex-president of whatever country .no way .
 
Actually the most serious negotiations are the ones under fire. The Minsk Accords were a case in point. Negotiations were serious before the ceasefire fires, and a joke after the ceasefires

Why do you think Ukraine wants a third party security gaurentee? What do they have to be afraid of?
 
A toast, to his criminality. Amirite? 😠
A toast to your puppet pocket ICC ! Good job for Deep State bosses.
I will only believe in its "justice " only when Barack Obama with Victoria Nuland will go straight to the prison cell.
 
A toast to your puppet pocket ICC ! Good job for Deep State bosses.
I will only believe in its "justice " only when Barack Obama with Victoria Nuland will go straight to the prison cell.

But you do support his criminal invasion of Ukraine. So youre toasting his criminality is in order. 😀
 
Why do you think Ukraine wants a third party security gaurentee? What do they have to be afraid of?


Small countries could use third party guarantees security guarantees as protection from predatory super powers. Not just Ukraine. Venezuela may also be in urgent need of a third party security guarantee
 
I cant support his "invasion" because there is NO INVASION . You have invented falsehoods about "invasion".

Russia hasn't done this?

"in·vade
/inˈvād/

verb
gerund or present participle: invading
  1. (of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it."
 
You are terrible at this.

A parrot/puppet. He says what he is instructed to say.

Except the name Putin. He can never post the name Putin. Straight to Siberia if he ever does.
 
A parrot/puppet. He says what he is instructed to say.

Except the name Putin. He can never post the name Putin. Straight to Siberia if he ever does.
Obama and neocon bosses love you !
Surely you don’t need instructions , just copy paste CNN/NYTimes lies , a word for word .
 
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